10 police officers shot by snipers at BLM protest in Dallas

Combat squirrel said:
I saw the video of Philando Castile's death - its no wonder its kicking off - the guy did literally nothing and got shot 5 times...................
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There is a video of the whole event? The only video I have seen has his girlfriend claiming he did nothing.

I am not for one minute claiming the shooting was justified, I am just saying that from that video clip, you cannot tell what really happened.
 
Terrible events in Dallas. It's a shame that the protestors do not show the same or more rage and anger (minus the murders) at the extraordinarily high level of gang-related violence in Chicago. In 2015, there were 468 murders in Chicago compared with 416 the year before, a 12.5% increase; in addition, there were 2,900 shootings, up 13% on the year prior, and up 29% since 2013.
 
This was bound to happen sooner or later, specially with recent shootings/killings from police officers etc.

But what really annoys me (and i think it just adds fuel) is the way the media go about handling such stories - BBC with headline "white copper kills black man" just doesn't need to be mentioned, surely "copper kills man in US" . It doesn't matter what colour someone is, and shouldn't be the main point/headline, I don't recall seeing "black copper kills white man" headlines etc.
 
{T5K}TT said:
Terrible events in Dallas. It's a shame that the protestors do not show the same or more rage and anger (minus the murders) at the extraordinarily high level of gang-related violence in Chicago. In 2015, there were 468 murders in Chicago compared with 416 the year before, a 12.5% increase; in addition, there were 2,900 shootings, up 13% on the year prior, and up 29% since 2013.
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It is a shame they don't show the same rage and anger isn't it. Imagine if they did - there would be gang members being shot dead on a daily basis.....
 
RaohNS said:
Readily available on the net. I am on phone so wont be digging out data but another poster above has stated he has seen the same facts as well. There has been an increase in shooting black people by the police because of increased hostility against them (the police) and incidentally since black lives matter started becoming an open hate and racist campaign.

Black on black crime is the highest prevalence. Half of all crime (violent) the perp is black. Not bad for just over 10% population. The rap and hip hop videos would be proud!
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Convenient, I'm struggling to find these figures. Maybe over the course of history but recent figures for 2014 and 2015 suggest a trend.

I don't disagree that there is an issue around poorer black neighbourhoods and the prevalance of gun crime which therefore leads to a more subconscious bias by officers as they are likely to be in the line of fire. However to say that shooting someone point black whilst two people are sat on top of them is the only way to subdue is just not believable.

I think people automatically assume because the officer has a badge that means they are an upstanding individual. I know first hand a police officer here who told me he use to enjoy chasing black suspects and giving them a good kicking and the odd punch when arresting. That was an indian so not a white vs black thing but more to the point he wasn't morally the best person I've met. Officers are just people like us, they have a duty to uphold the law but that doesn't mean they are infallible or unlikely to overstep the mark. If that was the case there wouldn't be corrupt officers etc.
 
Orionaut said:
Like I said, there was plenty of opportunity for misunderstanding here.

If it had been me I would have kept my hands firmly on the steering wheel, told the cop that my driving license, my Gun license, and my Gun (in that order) were in my jacket pocket and not moved a muscle until told to do so!

Announcing that you have a Gun while reaching into your pocket is really not a good idea when confronted by an armed cop.
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Just saw a news snippet on this. Apparently the girlfriend was saying that her boyfriend has a licence to kill because he had a gun. And then the guy starts reaching into his pocket... When you carry a weapon and hold a licence for that weapon that is the first thing you make aware to police if you are pulled. It's a simple process of explanation.

As to this incident it's shocking stuff, have just seen the video by the pillars and it's clear that the gunman is military trained. Nobody 'off the street' moves and closes down their target like that without training.
 
a1ex2001 said:
It is a race problem though, not specifically black as it applies almost as much to people from a Hispanic background American cops are simply shooting to many people from ethnic backgrounds.

The rules of engagement are all wrong, that fact someone has effectively been shot for having a broken tail light is scary!
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That's lazy thinking.

The issue is so much deeper than race. If there was institutionalised racism in the police force then police officers would be killing Black and Hispanic people all across America, across every demographic. The reality is they aren't. They're killing people predominantly from certain social and economic backgrounds, the majority of whom tend to be Black or Hispanic.

While some case details suggest that there is almost certainly a racist element in the police force, it's near impossible to identify and prosecute those people when they can hide behind the "I feared for my life" excuse. The only way to remove that excuse is to make it safe to police the streets.
 
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RaohNS said:
The figures don't match what BLM preach. They are a hate group (anti-white and inadvertently anti-black too). Whites are shot at an almost identical rate to blacks and unarmed whites and blacks are shot at exactly the same rate. 90-91% of black murders are done by other blacks.

Black culture is the biggest problem.

Hope the other officers make a quick and speedy recovery
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Any evidence for this? Everything I've seen is completely contrasting to your opinion.

RaohNS said:
Readily available on the net. I am on phone so wont be digging out data but another poster above has stated he has seen the same facts as well. There has been an increase in shooting black people by the police because of increased hostility against them (the police) and incidentally since black lives matter started becoming an open hate and racist campaign.

Black on black crime is the highest prevalence. Half of all crime (violent) the perp is black. Not bad for just over 10% population. The rap and hip hop videos would be proud!
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Once again, statistics do not support your belief. See the following link, as you do not provide any evidence yourself:

http://qz.com/556988/here-are-four-...der-in-america-to-tweet-back-at-donald-trump/
 
Was listening to the Dallas police chief talk on the radio earlier. Also watched a video. Really scary hearing all the shots fired, sounds like they had semi automatic rifles. The chief was saying one of the assailants was talking about bombs and that it's the end . . Both handed themselves over I think.
 
Jono8 said:
There is a video of the whole event? The only video I have seen has his girlfriend claiming he did nothing.

I am not for one minute claiming the shooting was justified, I am just saying that from that video clip, you cannot tell what really happened.
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Yes, and it's super graphic and very clear. They have him on the ground, one of the cops yells "he has a gun!" And well, you can guess what happened next as soon as somebody yelled that.
 
Terrible news.

I would have hoped that the BLM v Police problems would have calmed down by now. Its fuelling a lot of support for trump.

The BBC doesn't even mention the words BLM or Black Lives Matter. Whats up with that?
 
adam98150 said:
Yes, and it's super graphic and very clear. They have him on the ground, one of the cops yells "he has a gun!" And well, you can guess what happened next as soon as somebody yelled that.
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That's the first shooting no? The second one is the aftermath in the car...I don't think we have the full picture to know what happened.
 
adam98150 said:
Yes, and it's super graphic and very clear. They have him on the ground, one of the cops yells "he has a gun!" And well, you can guess what happened next as soon as somebody yelled that.
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He's actually talking about the other incident.
 
do we know if all the officers shot were white...there seemed to be a lot of black officers in dallas...its going to be a pretty dumb arguement if they shot a half dozen black policemen as well!
 
Think there are a few problems ahead:

I'm gonna guess the guys are ex military as it seems unusual to have 4 people motivated enough to go about this together. There have been plenty of spree killers in the last few decades but I'm not sure they often work together.

I have not seen information, but did they shoot anyone else? Or just the police officers?

Spree killers tend to commit suicide or force the arresting officers to kill them. Seems a little unusual they were arrested. Now you have them in custody and will be a massive media centre point. Those guys will be heroes to many people and if they turn out to be veterans many people will play on this, they are patriots etc.

Dallas may try to ban further protests/gatherings inregardless of the cause, but will that stop people turning out? How will they stop people coming on the streets if they attempt to ban protests in the name of public safety. I'm not sure tear gas and riot shields will be effective in the same way the police officers will be over protective of them selves, rightly so.
 
satchef1 said:
Well done that man! Seems he did a great job of resolving the situation peacefully, even if it did involve putting his own life at considerable risk.
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Quite, so it shows it doesn't always need to be a shoot first and ask questions later response

It's not really hugely relevant to the thread though, is it?
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Since it's a thread that is about the perception of police bias in their use of force against the black community, then it seems relevant to me.
 
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