10 police officers shot by snipers at BLM protest in Dallas

[scorza]

That's just stupid.

I cant see any logical reason to carry guns like that.

Is it just incase someone bumps in your trolley? (which I can somewhat understand )

Suppose there was a mass shooting at the supermarket where you were and are now trapped. You'd feel pretty foolish saying to yourself "darn it! I have an AR-15 at home that would have given me a fighting change in this situation" while you wait for the gun man to get round to killing you.

 

[{T5K}TT]

Blacks are six times more likely to murder someone than a white person. That is a shocking statistic. How can anyone argue this is not a race issue?

Many will try to argue this is a legacy of slavery or some nonsense like that. That is simply not true. Black crime rates exploded after the civil rights movement. The further blacks have got from slavery, the more violent they have become.

You can pretty much map the rise in violence to growth of the drug trade in the US. But its not just the drugs alone, because here's the funny thing: most people involved in drugs in the US earn less that minimum wage. Many of the kids in the drugs gangs have to work other jobs to stay afloat.

The real root of this problem is black urban culture and its glorification of drugs and violence. Until you start to tear down the myth that gang life and drugs are a way forward for black Americans, you might start to see improvements.

Obviously there's more to it than that: there needs to be jobs and education for them. But first, they need to destroy the glamour of being in a gang.

Also reforms to welfare in the USA under President Johnson significantly influenced welfare dependency amongst blacks. In addition, an increasing number of blacks are born to unmarried women:

Compared to the 1990s when a third of Americans were born out of wedlock, now 41 per cent of babies do not have married parents. There are racial divides:
73% of black babies are born outside marriage
53% of Latino babies are born outside marriage
29% of white babies are born outside marriage

(Child Trends, a Washington research group)

With a lower number of blacks born to married couples, more welfare dependency and lower educational attainment, the USA has surely got some major social trends to address. Of course, it's not always for the state to help individuals: They need to help themselves and not blame others.

 

[Mynight]

Suppose there was a mass shooting at the supermarket where you were and are now trapped. You'd feel pretty foolish saying to yourself "darn it! I have an AR-15 at home that would have given me a fighting change in this situation" while you wait for the gun man to get round to killing you.

No I wouldnt as I wouldnt own one.

I would also prefer to live in a world where any old prat cant own a gun and potentially decide to go play the human version of duck hunt in a supermarket.

It's a stupid system that costs nothing but lives.


I'm not 100% sure if your post was sarcasm or not .

 

[Dis86]

Let me save you the trouble, we do not know what the Earth's core is made of. We believe we have a pretty good idea and since our satellites haven't all crashed it's probably not bad but if the composition was known, I wouldn't have a friend doing a PhD in trying to work it out right now.
Now, for the point I was making which seems to have sailed straight over your head - we can typically dismiss a lot of things like "do we really know the earth is not made of cheese" because they are obviously silly. In the same way, there should not have to be research to disprove that people with a certain colour of skin are more violent than others. If you want to say there is a causation here, the burden of proof is on you, saying that because it's not been disproven is logically the same as if I were to say we don't really know that the Earth's core isn't made of something silly like cheese.

Again I'll point out, common scientific concensus, from various sources is that it's largely iron. Ergo we know what it is.
Back to the point, I asked a question. I didn't state anything. Burden of proof isn't on someone asking a question. It's on the person responding with an assertion. You arrested it was a silly and impossible point. Therefore...prove it.

 

[scorza]

No I wouldnt as I wouldnt own one.

I would also prefer to live in a world when any old prat cant own a gun and potentially decide to go playing the human version of duck hunt in a supermarket.

It's a stupid system that costs nothing but lives.

Problem is you can't uninvent something, so we're always going to be living in this world where there is violence. Scary - yes, but I don't see how taking away guns from law abiding people will protect them from criminals.

 

[Mynight]

Problem is you can't uninvent something, so we're always going to be living in this world where there is violence. Scary - yes, but I don't see how taking away guns from law abiding people will protect them from criminals.

Just look at the stats of gun crime from USA to UK.

It may not protect them but it'll certainly cut down the number of needless deaths significantly.

Lets be honest it doesnt really matter if they're law abiding everyone can "lose" it and do something stupid. Taking away the guns can minimise how much damage their losing it causes.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Society and culture flows from race. Different races build different societies.

So you believe black people tend to gravitate toward violence and gang culture because of their genetic differences with white people and not due to prejudices on both sides due to differences of race?

If i told you I do not have a drop of English blood in me and I am half Italian and half Fillipino, what fundamental differences in personality and culture would you assume me to have compared to others around me, despite having lived here practically all my life.

Not baiting you, just trying to clarify whether you believe the cultural differences are something to do with genetic differences or whatever. I dont doubt different races have different culture but i believe that is due to races developing their own culture while being fairly isolated with the rest of the world. Cultural similarities between people of the same race is undeniable at times but i dont believe that directly to do with genetic make up

 

[Orionaut]

Many will try to argue this is a legacy of slavery or some nonsense like that. That is simply not true. Black crime rates exploded after the civil rights movement. The further blacks have got from slavery, the more violent they have become.

This is the really startling thing. Back in the days of Segregation, Jim Crow and whatever, US Black communities were generally peaceful, orderly and civilised.

Indeed, one of the things that drove civil rights was the increasing numbers of young white people who were socialising with Black America, enjoying the music and so on. Something that would never have happened had they been at risk of being crime victims. Heaven help a white kid who ends up in a Black neighbourhood today!.

What went wrong??

 

[shroomz]

Problem is you can't uninvent something, so we're always going to be living in this world where there is violence. Scary - yes, but I don't see how taking away guns from law abiding people will protect them from criminals.

What if, as a first step, you take them away from people who are a risk and make the process of getting a gun more difficult in the first place? Can we agree on that?

 

[RaohNS]

This is the really startling thing. Back in the days of Segregation, Jim Crow and whatever, US Black communities were generally peaceful, orderly and civilised.

What went wrong??

Is that true?

I know MLK would be ashamed of the BLM movement. They are the the exact thing he stood against.

Segregation is wrong as we know but a lot of *******s now say its ok as do BLM activists

 

[SS-89]

Lol...are we seriously straying into the territory where people are saying black people are more genetically pre-disposed to commit violent crime...isn't this similar to the whole dog breeds are more violent than others which has disproven multiple times and shown that environmental and social factors play a much larger role...

It's abundantly clear, poverty, neglect, lack of welfare/benefits, lack of education etc have played a significant role in creating ghettos which unfortunately perpetuate an environment of crime. It's a viscious cycle that I imagine none of us have lived in or experienced the struggle to really provide a qualified view on what life is like in those communities.

Honestly I'm embarassed to be a member of this forum sometimes.

 

[drs101]

This is the really startling thing. Back in the days of Segregation, Jim Crow and whatever, US Black communities were generally peaceful, orderly and civilised.

What went wrong??

you joking? during segregation Black people where not free and heavily oppressed.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Lol...are we seriously straying into the territory where people are saying black people are more genetically pre-disposed to commit violent crime...isn't this similar to the whole dog breeds are more violent than others which has disproven multiple times and shown that environmental and social factors play a much larger role...

This was my impression but then i convinced myself i misunderstood the posts because that point of view is so outdated it's unreal.

 

[Mynight]

This was my impression but then i convinced myself i misunderstood the posts because that point of view is so outdated it's unreal.

I've been trying to do that.

Havent slept today so I figure it's going above my head .

 

[drs101]

So what do you make of the statistics then? They're all just hocus-pocus are they?

I was going to make a long post but SS-89 said it for me

Lol...are we seriously straying into the territory where people are saying black people are more genetically pre-disposed to commit violent crime...isn't this similar to the whole dog breeds are more violent than others which has disproven multiple times and shown that environmental and social factors play a much larger role...

It's abundantly clear, poverty, neglect, lack of welfare/benefits, lack of education etc have played a significant role in creating ghettos which unfortunately perpetuate an environment of crime. It's a viscious cycle that I imagine none of us have lived in or experienced the struggle to really provide a qualified view on what life is like in those communities.

Honestly I'm embarassed to be a member of this forum sometimes.

 

[scorza]

What if, as a first step, you take them away from people who are a risk and make the process of getting a gun more difficult in the first place? Can we agree on that?

Fine but who is a 'risk'? People merely suspected of a crime, people who have yet to be diagnosed with a mental health condition, or did you mean that everyone is a potential mass-shooter so guns should be prohibited for everyone.

 

[shroomz]

Lol...are we seriously straying into the territory where people are saying black people are more genetically pre-disposed to commit violent crime...isn't this similar to the whole dog breeds are more violent than others which has disproven multiple times and shown that environmental and social factors play a much larger role...

It's abundantly clear, poverty, neglect, lack of welfare/benefits, lack of education etc have played a significant role in creating ghettos which unfortunately perpetuate an environment of crime. It's a viscious cycle that I imagine none of us have lived in or experienced the struggle to really provide a qualified view on what life is like in those communities.

Honestly I'm embarassed to be a member of this forum sometimes.

Apparently so

 

[alx]

Lol...are we seriously straying into the territory where people are saying black people are more genetically pre-disposed to commit violent crime...isn't this similar to the whole dog breeds are more violent than others which has disproven multiple times and shown that environmental and social factors play a much larger role...

It's abundantly clear, poverty, neglect, lack of welfare/benefits, lack of education etc have played a significant role in creating ghettos which unfortunately perpetuate an environment of crime. It's a viscious cycle that I imagine none of us have lived in or experienced the struggle to really provide a qualified view on what life is like in those communities.

Honestly I'm embarassed to be a member of this forum sometimes.

Good post. The viscious cycle also perpetuates negative view points from people outside it, which makes it even harder to escape from.

 

[Dis86]

This was my impression but then i convinced myself i misunderstood the posts because that point of view is so outdated it's unreal.

Ok. I'll ask again here because nobody is actually giving answers and are just shouting 'racist' 'bigot' 'for shame' every five seconds. Is there any research which shows that race is not actually a factor?
You say the view is outdated but is it actually wrong? Nobody seems willing to give an answer, let alone one with any evidence behind it!

All we have are statistics showing in multiple countries that black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime.
This includes countries with black majorities and black minorities.

 

[Freakbro]

Lol...are we seriously straying into the territory where people are saying black people are more genetically pre-disposed to commit violent crime...isn't this similar to the whole dog breeds are more violent than others which has disproven multiple times and shown that environmental and social factors play a much larger role...

It's abundantly clear, poverty, neglect, lack of welfare/benefits, lack of education etc have played a significant role in creating ghettos which unfortunately perpetuate an environment of crime. It's a viscious cycle that I imagine none of us have lived in or experienced the struggle to really provide a qualified view on what life is like in those communities.

Honestly I'm embarassed to be a member of this forum sometimes.

Spot on


Ewww...I feel like Arazi now