Not just middle class metropolitan young people got shafted. The jobs that in your fantasy world are lost due Poles have just been wiped out in a blink of an eye. They don't exist anymore:
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Not just middle class metropolitan young people got shafted. The jobs that in your fantasy world are lost due Poles have just been wiped out in a blink of an eye. They don't exist anymore:
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Shakeup my arse, try WW1-2 for shakeups.
So there short of a world war anything else is virtually irrelevant to you?
How does shift in the political landscape that lurches further towards the policies that started the decline of the job prospects for the low-skilled youth in de-industrialised areas help them?
Nothing I have read so far on the expected lay of the land for the next 5-10 years seems to hint that low paid jobs are going to change. As everybody is keen to point out - if we need skilled staff from abroad then we will continue to recruit them. Being able to ensure a UK native has a job ahead of a more qualified Italian can only ever be a temporary position, unless we are going to try and become super-protectionist.
I would love for this to be a short sharp decline that leads the country towards a more socialist agenda but there is no part of me that can see that happening, and I don't think there's much room for a lot of people to lose out in the interim that wouldn't plunge them into poverty or make them homeless. I don't believe in accelerationism.
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The people I'm talking about; they don't care that there's 700k fewer jobs available this month - those jobs would have been denied to them anyway. These people have nothing today and they'll have nothing tomorrow - why should they care that some middle-class people down south (myself included) have to suffer a bit of hardship for a while? Those same middle-class people didn't and don't give a damn about them.
Make no mistake, this has been coming for a long time - I've been warning of it on this forum for a number of years. There's a sickness in western nations - all of them - that has been ignored for too long. All the Leave vote achieves is (hopefully) the people of the UK getting their country back - what we do with it is up to us. So yes, there's huge uncertainty at the moment, and there's no guarantee that we'll do the right thing on our own and eventually succeed, but I'll take my chances with that rather than the slow lingering death that remain would have surely delivered.
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Yes, saw that bitsome interesting information, the MP's are dumb founded and it is amusing to watch them.
Some of the stuff that Mr Dougan knows is astonishing.
Are you talking about this video? http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/cb083c53-3998-4f3a-8eca-e114e3dbdf0b
Just want to make sure I watch the right one.
My generation was not in any of the wars.
It has sod all to do with age.
Its about knowing how the world works and ticks, trust me its ****ing horrible and down right naughty period.
When you see the light you wish for a dark place.
Trust me I take no feeling or happiness from this no matter what.
Its just lets move on pull together as a nation and lets make it work.
We can do it.
Right. How?
I'd agree that the people of the UK have "their country back" if we'd also somehow overthrown the government. Instead we are going to get either a PM that doesn't believe in the idea of communications that government can't monitor, or one that believes if you're employed in a business with only three staff that means you don't deserve the minimum wage, any support when you start a family, no stability offered by not being able to be dismissed without cause, and nothing more than a state pension.
It's a bit of a hollow victory for the oppressed from the information we have at the moment.
What policies? Apologies if I'm wrong but your use of the word "lurches" would indicate to me you're talking about a lurch to the right. It's not about right or left any more - it's about globalism vs. nationalism. TPTB played a trick on us - they gave us the illusion of choice between three political parties - Tory, LibDem, Labour - but all three were globalist, UKIP filled the void of nationalist and won the argument (if not the voters).
Agree that if we need skilled jobs then we should go and get them - we're gonna have a massive problem with nursing in the next decade as scary numbers of nurses retire. However I'm not really concerned about that. Please don't mistake me for a socialist - I support a mixed economy with a forever TBD mixture of capitalism and socialism. Right now what I'm concerned about is healing the division in our society. It was divided before the vote and it's become all the more apparent after it. We all have to acknowledge that we live in the same eco-system and ignoring one portion of it will affect us all.
Not just middle class metropolitan young people got shafted. The jobs that in your fantasy world are lost due Poles have just been wiped out in a blink of an eye. They don't exist anymore:
Amazing, I'm so amazed that the biggest political shake up in a generation has caused people to take stock a couple of weeks later.
So amazing.
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Carry on as normal its the British way.
Move along nothing to see, storm in a tea cup so to say.
Its nothing at all, its all over bloated bull that no one would care about if is was not for social media etc.
You pro EU people seem to forget we do not use the EURO, so we control our own money supply, therefore we have monetary control of our own money.
Oh the pounds down the world will end???
No because it makes us cheaper to export therefore people will buy more of our produce as it is cheaper.
People always think about there holiday money etc, but in fact a low sterling exchange is good for the UK as we can sell more at a competitive price.
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Sell more what? What do we export that is sufficiently price elastic that we'll sell significantly increased quantities as a result of currency devaluation?
We import more than we export, therefore an incredibly weak currency does more harm than good.
I think saying there's no left or right any more is a gross simplification. The post-Brexit Tory party will be more right-wing authoritarian than they were two years ago. You can introduce globalist / nationalist as a Z axis in the liberal/authoritarian left/right map if you want but I don't think it replaces anything.
In any case - what's changed since this vote that is putting the young people struggling for work in your example into a better position now? Nationalism (probably more accurately isolationism) is simply not a viable option in 2016 unless you can convince the rest of the world to go for it at the same time.
If this is all absolutely nothing to worry about, carry on as normal territory, then what was so terrible about EU membership that you couldn't apply your own rules to? I'm pretty sure nobody posting here and hoping for a remain outcome forgot that we control our own currency, it being one of the central arguments used to debunk the "EU will force us to prop up failing nations" arguments.
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You keep saying this but the fact is that every time the pound has devalued our exports go up and our economy outperforms, so I imagine we'll sell more of the usual things that we sell more of - Rolls Royce engines, Brompton Bicycles, JCB diggers, tourism (every pound a foreigner spends in this country counts as an export), and many, many other things.
Yes we import more than we export, but we have a trade deficit many regard as unhealthy - so over time we'll export more and import less and the trade deficit will narrow. This is probably a good thing.
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