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What I want to know is, who'll be leading a prospective split? With Eagle being thrown to the wolves, it could be the real plan, as nobody appears like they have anything to lose at the moment.
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Agree. There is a clue in the timing of the coup, just before Chilcot. Lot of Blarites on the wrong side of this debate with limited time left as Labour representatives.
You don't heal a country by using one lie to justify another. It was as much a critique for those voting remain as it was those voting leave under false pretences. There was nothing democratic or constitutional about that vote since the result was "sold as seen" (without a plan).
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Because of just how much of a strange, unbelievable choice Eagle is (support of the Iraq war, famous denial of the housing crisis, total lack of redeeming features to voters) I half expect her to be the one to launch the leadership campaign, but for others to step in anyway. I know they've talked about "only wanting to field one candidate" to avoid splitting the vote. But it's a runoff system, there's no such thing as vote splitting. And as much as they might want to frame it as just a mechanism to get rid of Corbyn and install their own candidate, it is still a leadership election, and to only run one vaguely soft left candidate as a puppet head for the right of the party would be an affront to the wide range of views within the party, and unlikely to result in the best possible option for the party going forwards.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ks-tom-watson-for-pulling-out-of-labour-talks
Really looking more and more like the PLP just want Corbyn gone for ideological reasons, no matter what the consequences.
Really looking more and more like the PLP just want Corbyn gone for ideological reasons, no matter what the consequences.
No you don't. But when you see a guy on a train looking to buy "Proud to be the 48" T-Shirt inside the EU stars, jeebs get a grip.
I think the best thing for people to do now is just forget about the vote. That happened 3weeks ago.
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Corbyn is still holding out, his presence is still enticing tens of thousands to sign up to Labour. The biggest problem as I said earlier in the thread or at least alluded to I the Blairites. The above poster is absolutely right about this #ChickenCoup. Its there to detract from their own damnation in Chilcot.
I wonder what more mud they will begin to throw. The press and media behavior including that slimeball kuennsberg or whatever her mug is are a national disgrace.
If I feel its needed I will sign up purely to ensure Corbyn gets his vote and a stern letter to my Zionist, US "secret" informant, backstabber of an MP.
Wish I knew who to write to in order to have her removed from Labour candidacy as there appears to be no central Labour organization for my area.
Is support of a Jewish state the part that you felt relevant when describing your MP, or was it code for 'Jew'? This isn't intended as a slur but it's quite a loaded word so it needs to be used carefully.
Your area will have a Labour CLP that you can engage with.
Your area will have a Labour CLP that you can engage with.
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Eagle is a mess...
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A few guys at work have joined the Labour Party in the last month to vote for Corbyn. Frankly Im amazed, they are from the typical recruiting pool of holier than thou liberals, multigeneration middle class university educated. But these guys are engineers normally a practical bunch and I can't understand why they think Corbyn's brand of 80's leftism is going to appeal to the country or if successful achieve anything more than the economic disaster that is in the Labour Party's DNA.
like a lot of people i think i bet its the "damn tories" reason, the age old idiocy of swinging from one end of the spectrum to the other because blame who's in power and to hell with how good the next lot will be.
as for eagle the longer and longer this goes on i feel like its a ploy by someone else in the labour party letting her fall on her sword to get corbyn out before some new labour team take a crack at it, id wager in 12 months tom watson or chucka will be labour leader or in the process of running for it.
But that is not what a Zionist is though C. The fact that she happens to be Jewish is of no consequence. She received funding from people who are known Zionists/Supporters and is an informant to the US government. She was the one to "strictly protect". The same one who stormed out of the anti-Semitism talk the other week and something more has come to light regarding that particular episode and what preceded the histrionics.
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Hmm, seems at least Smith might also declare; but if Corbo gets on the ballot, we could see a last minute swap with people dropping out. And a few betting men I know aren't ruling out D. Miliband's return via Jo Cox's seat. So that could cause further rifts. Pretty much everyone's lost the plot now, and the prospect of Leadsom as PM is making it worse.
It's a tragicomedy in three acts. Whatever's left of the party after this, they must review the constitution and rule book so that such farces cannot occur again at critical times for the nation. What an absolute disaster! Won't be surprised if lawyers get involved.
It's a tragicomedy in three acts. Whatever's left of the party after this, they must review the constitution and rule book so that such farces cannot occur again at critical times for the nation. What an absolute disaster! Won't be surprised if lawyers get involved.
We can only hope you are wrong from a Labour perspective. It has failed because parties have allowed themselves to become divided or have designed it to be that way (aka ChickenCoup)
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Trouble is, as Placid points out, Corbyn's middle-class supporters, driven by warm slogans and a positive feeling, are as disjoint from working-class needs, desires and identities outside London as Corbo himself; a clash of realities is inevitable, not to mention electoral techniques and ideology.
A two-party solution is probably what's needed if no constitutional accommodation can be found. And although the irony of having a London-centric socialist party does not escape me, it's what will likely result from a split, with centrist Labour and Tory elements forming up a new entity in the shires. Look forward to many a hung parliament then.
Is it me, or do the BBC want Corbyn gone as much as the PLP?
They seem to be exclusively giving air-time to anti-Corbyn viewpoints, and asking Corbyn questions like "Why haven't you resigned yet? It's clear you've lost the confidence of your colleagues."
They seem to be exclusively giving air-time to anti-Corbyn viewpoints, and asking Corbyn questions like "Why haven't you resigned yet? It's clear you've lost the confidence of your colleagues."
Corbyn did lose a vote of confidence amongst Labour MPs, and he has therefore lost the confidence of his colleagues. Usually, a leader would then stand down. Surely Labour's leader should command the confidence of Labour grass roots supporters and Labour MPs (not exclusively one or the other).
If the Labour leader believes his MP's arent speaking for their constituents (a vast majority of them arent, considering the remain MPs in Leave areas are), then he can just ignore the MP's if he wishes.
The Vote was also unbinding, how very unfortunate.
It's sort of irrelevant what people think of the current Labour leader if nobody can realistically present an alternative. If the wider party members want to see a move to a more socialist position (and this isn't really known because at the moment it's just Momentum that seem to be the loud ones) then the MPs are at odds with their membership, and that can't be solved with a leadership change.