Are Palit GameRock cards Binned?

[AllBodies]

Hi there,

Is there any official information on whether the GameRock or GameRock Premium GTX 1080/1070 cards are binned?

I'm trying to decide whether it's worth waiting and paying the little extra for the Premium version, or whether they're just clocked higher out of the box and still silicon lottery.

Thanks.

 

[Aretak]

Gibbo says that the Gainward Phoenix GLHs are binned, so given that Palit and Gainward are the same company and the Premium and GLH have the same clocks, it's probably safe to assume that they are.

16nm process does not like voltage and does not need crazy power or phases when on air or water.

What counts is good GPU and good cooling, this is why Gainward did great with GLH as they bin GPUs and their cooler is huge that lowers temps resulting in great boost clocks.

 

[Disco_P]

Surely every card with a factory overclock is "binned". They test it to make sure that it can run the overclock and if it fails then they sell it as a lower tier card.

For example ASUS strix 1080 cards. First they test the OC bios, if it fails then the gaming bios, and if it fails that they'll use the stock bios. They then sell them as the highest speeds for the highest price.

 

[AllBodies]

Hmm might be worth the wait for the premium version then.

Also I noticed the super jetstream appears to be exactly the same cooler with a different skin? And also must be binned if palit indeed do that.

 

[Aretak]

Hmm might be worth the wait for the premium version then.

Also I noticed the super jetstream appears to be exactly the same cooler with a different skin? And also must be binned if palit indeed do that.

The Super Jetstream does ship with lower clocks than the Premium/GLH though (a 38MHz deficit on the core and 500MHz on the memory), so it won't have been held to quite the same standard as the others. Which is a shame, given that it's by far the most pleasing on the eye of the three.

 

[AllBodies]

The Super Jetstream does ship with lower clocks than the Premium/GLH though (a 38MHz deficit on the core and 500MHz on the memory), so it won't have been held to quite the same standard as the others. Which is a shame, given that it's by far the most pleasing on the eye of the three.

Very true. Although all the memory is Samsung, so likely any current card will do 8500 on the memory.

Very tough decision to make between the two. The SJS does look nicer, and when I phoned overclockers earlier today they said they have no ETA on the GameRock Premium

There's another shop with the GRP for about £11 less and claim they'll get stock on Friday, but I phoned them too and said the Friday estimate wasn't guaranteed and may end up being placeholder...

So it's either SJS now, or wait an unknown amount of time for the GRP.

 

[Gibbo]

Palit Jetstream, GameRock and Gainward Pheonix all have same cooler, just different skins. They all run very fast as its one of the best coolers on the market, only bettered by the Zotac Extreme cooler.

I believe only GLH are binned GPUs, not sure on the others, but pretty much all of these will do around 2GHz out the box because of the cooler being so good.

This time round Zotac and Palit/Gainward have the best cooler, pretty much resulting also in the best out of box performance and overclocks, it is also nice that they are not the most expensive.

Zotac Extreme is my pick of the bunch on 1070 and 1080 because the cooler is most powerful, quietest and they clock like crazy, over 2GHz core out the box with a near 11000MHz memory speed out the box. Then to top it all off 5yr warranty and the RGB LED's too.

 

[AllBodies]

Palit Jetstream, GameRock and Gainward Pheonix all have same cooler, just different skins. They all run very fast as its one of the best coolers on the market, only bettered by the Zotac Extreme cooler.

I believe only GLH are binned GPUs, not sure on the others, but pretty much all of these will do around 2GHz out the box because of the cooler being so good.

This time round Zotac and Palit/Gainward have the best cooler, pretty much resulting also in the best out of box performance and overclocks, it is also nice that they are not the most expensive.

Zotac Extreme is my pick of the bunch on 1070 and 1080 because the cooler is most powerful, quietest and they clock like crazy, over 2GHz core out the box with a near 11000MHz memory speed out the box. Then to top it all off 5yr warranty and the RGB LED's too.

Thanks for the info.

Is there any ETA at all for the GameRock Premium?

I phoned today and they didn't know, but wondered if you have any more secret knowledge yourself?

 

[Greebo]

Surely every card with a factory overclock is "binned". They test it to make sure that it can run the overclock and if it fails then they sell it as a lower tier card.

For example ASUS strix 1080 cards. First they test the OC bios, if it fails then the gaming bios, and if it fails that they'll use the stock bios. They then sell them as the highest speeds for the highest price.

You can notice it a lot with Pailt and Gainward and now even Asus.

ALl the cards in the range are the same custom board and cooler so you are only paying for the out of the box clock speed.

Simple for them to test at highest clock, + pass then sell as top

If fail, test next highest clock speed in range, repeat.

Notice Asus has now brought out two slower clocked 1080s with exactly the same board and cooler as their OC one to get rid of the failed chips.

Harder to tell for EVGA as each card in the range is a different board and cooler so they they would have to remove any chip that failed and then fit in in a lesser card.

 

[AllBodies]

You can notice it a lot with Pailt and Gainward and now even Asus.

ALl the cards in the range are the same custom board and cooler so you are only paying for the out of the box clock speed.

Simple for them to test at highest clock, + pass then sell as top

If fail, test next highest clock speed in range, repeat.

Notice Asus has now brought out two slower clocked 1080s with exactly the same board and cooler as their OC one to get rid of the failed chips.

Harder to tell for EVGA as each card in the range is a different board and cooler so they they would have to remove any chip that failed and then fit in in a lesser card.

It's a bit odd with Palit though.

Their marketing information says the Jetstream line is for people who want to overclock, and the GameRock is for people who want the best gaming experience out of the box.

Yet the GameRocks are both clocked higher in both price segments than the 'overclocker' models. And they are all the same board, heatsink and fans, just different fascia on the heatsink.

 

[Greebo]

It's a bit odd with Palit though.

Their marketing information says the Jetstream line is for people who want to overclock, and the GameRock is for people who want the best gaming experience out of the box.

Yet the GameRocks are both clocked higher in both price segments than the 'overclocker' models. And they are all the same board, heatsink and fans, just different fascia on the heatsink.

Yeah Jetstream was their high end cards and they went all funky with silly names and logos this time with gamerock.

But thats just marketing spiel since like you pointed out, they are the same boards and coolers. Go to their website and see how they market the premium and the super....totally different lol

 

[Nasher]

Surely every card with a factory overclock is "binned". They test it to make sure that it can run the overclock and if it fails then they sell it as a lower tier card.

For example ASUS strix 1080 cards. First they test the OC bios, if it fails then the gaming bios, and if it fails that they'll use the stock bios. They then sell them as the highest speeds for the highest price.

Yea, you would think so. But I've had more than one factory overclocked geforce card that has not been entirely stable on it's boost clocks :/

 

[Greebo]

Yea, you would think so. But I've had more than one factory overclocked geforce card that has not been entirely stable on it's boost clocks :/

Indeed. Seen quite a few Gigabyte extreme failing to reach their advertised clocks and Asus have being struggling with their cards too.

Guess its only a quick short test.

 

[kalniel]

Surely every card with a factory overclock is "binned". They test it to make sure that it can run the overclock and if it fails then they sell it as a lower tier card.

For example ASUS strix 1080 cards. First they test the OC bios, if it fails then the gaming bios, and if it fails that they'll use the stock bios. They then sell them as the highest speeds for the highest price.

That's not usually how it works. A couple of very top tier cards might be binned, the rest aren't and the premium you pay just acts as a kind of insurance against higher return rates for a given OC. You're in effect buying a warranty for the factory OC rather than a better chip.

 

[Brazo]

Don't be fooled by any of the AIB cards, they all clock the same. There appears to be a small silicon lottery but most likely difference is testing variance.

 

[AllBodies]

As a little update, I decided to go for the Super Jetstream. And will update with how quiet, high-clocking it is.

Reasons were:

• It looks nicer than the GameRock
• It's still excellent value compared to other AIB cards
• I'm sure 99.9% of all GTX 1070's will OC to 8500 memory (until they start using chips other than Samsung)
• No shops seem to know when they're getting stock of the GameRock Premium. And I'd worry waiting would see the price of the SJS rise.