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I'm loving her cheery "I just sacked Hunt and Gove" smile:

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Trifid said:
And throw in more uncertainty. It is not what is needed now.
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It will only cause uncertainty if there is a credible opposition at the time of the election. Right now, there isn't.

A GE today would increase the tory majority substantially, and reduce uncertainty. However, its not as easy to call one because of the fixed term parliament act. I'm not sure what options are realistically open for a GE, no matter the political will.
 
Desperate parties are offering EU Ref 2 at the moment. Who knows Lib Dem could win it. Too early for a General Election, the dust needs to settle and the idea of Brexit actually being welcomed by the remainers.
 
Judgeneo said:
It will only cause uncertainty if there is a credible opposition at the time of the election. Right now, there isn't.

A GE today would increase the tory majority substantially, and reduce uncertainty. However, its not as easy to call one because of the fixed term parliament act. I'm not sure what options are realistically open for a GE, no matter the political will.
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Who knows how people will vote though. We have a massively dividing single issue with no direction pencilled in to resolve and we have a labour party who's MPs don't support their leader. All the while we have a extremely fragile economy with other countries making noises about poaching big business. In normal times I would agree but it will take months to arrange a GE and we have a job to do first.
 
If May completely changes direction on policies and manifesto items that got the Tories into power she is effectively a lame duck with no mandate. Her majority is slim enough for her to be able to lose on a lot of issues especially if the more centre / EU remain Tory MPs don't like the direction she is taking them in. That would be far worse for this country than holding a snap GE
 
Apparently DECC is going to be rolled into BIS... :confused:



Least our children will learn the proper names for animals now!

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Trifid said:
Who knows how people will vote though. We have a massively dividing single issue with no direction pencilled in to resolve and we have a labour party who's MPs don't support their leader. All the while we have a extremely fragile economy with other countries making noises about poaching big business. In normal times I would agree but it will take months to arrange a GE and we have a job to do first.
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May cannot do that job without a real mandate. Her majority is so slim that it will be easier for her to lose than win on a lot of issues especially those that may not sit well with the more centrist tories
 
Uther said:
The uncertainty of a GE is not really what the country needs just now IMO, but with Labour in disarray it could be a good move.
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It wasn't the right time when May (and many others) were calling on Brown to hold an election either.

Not that I think having an election is a good idea. I'd like one, but equally I'd fully expect it to end badly.
 
sityeuropa said:
Actually if the Eu Referendum was first past the post, wouldn't it have decimated the remain vote? Lots more smaller areas voting leave.
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I'm not sure. The Leave vote was pretty concentrated, wasn't it? I think there were more areas with a 70-80% Leave vote than areas with a 70-80% Remain vote.

Hmm... let's see if we can get the data... it's downloadable from here.

(Edit: stuffed up my formula) I make it 263-119 for Leave by FPTP by counting area, so a massive landslide win. Doing it by UK constituencies would give a different result but would also be much harder to work out.
 
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To all those bleeding hearts banging on about democracy, do you think it democratic if the government makes a massive U turn on key polices they were voted in on without giving the public the democratic right to chose whether that's what they want ?

Because the way May is positioning herself it's effectively what we are about to end up with. So show your democratic balls now and start telling us about "your democracy", or doesn't it suit you now ?
 
wildman said:
To all those bleeding hearts banging on about democracy, do you think it democratic if the government makes a massive U turn on key polices they were voted in on without giving the public the democratic right to chose whether that's what they want ?

Because the way May is positioning herself it's effectively what we are about to end up with. So show your democratic balls now and start telling us about "your democracy", or doesn't it suit you now ?
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So do you think Osborne, Hunt, Gove, and Morgan were all doing a great job ?
 
Secret_Window said:
So do you think Osborne, Hunt, Gove, and Morgan were all doing a great job ?
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that is immaterial, they were doing the job against the manifesto on which they were voted in on.

If there is a whole sale change in direction then there needs to be an election so that the public can exercise their democratic right to vote on that change. Democracy is not a part time game you play when it suits you.

If May want to fundamentally change the party direction and make sweeping changes to policies which the incumbents were voted into power on, then that requires a democratic vote, otherwise we may as well live under a government run by Mugabe. But that won't sit well with the Tory boys because it's not on their agenda.
 
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