Brexit thread - what happens next

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I don't know why people are thinking we'll join the EEA, David Davis has already said the EU will have to accept our border controls in any deal

DD doesn't have a clue what deal he's going to get. But...

If it comes to boarder controls on the one side, and holding the UK together, and maintaining our access to the single market on the other, which one are you going to go for?
 
DD doesn't have a clue what deal he's going to get. But...

If it comes to boarder controls on the one side, and holding the UK together, and maintaining our access to the single market on the other, which one are you going to go for?

It's as much about what we will accept as it is what deal we're going to get. Clearly a large part of the population do not want to accept free movement, he knows this and Theresa May knows this. They'll have to get the best deal for us with that in mind. I don't see any point in us leaving the EU to stay in the EEA and have free movement imposed upon us, it would make the entire thing expensive and pointless
 
That was the only realistic option available, regardless of Scotland. Scotland now offers the excuse it needs to not to go nuclear.

The benefits of leaving the EU, only to join the EEA are minimal, and the costs could be quite significant over time.

It certainly doesn't address the issues that was highest on most leavers agenda, which is immigration.

Immigration will never be properly addressed. I think it is a good idea to give those that are reluctant power in the decision because that is the only way you can make both happy (at a country level). If Scotland (and the rest of UK) deem it is better in the EU then they will stick with that one. By the looks of this new way forward they are going to try and get the best position for the UK as possible. The free trade agreements with the rest of the world is pretty strong but then there are other things that you lose out on in the EEA. At least we can have confidence the actions won't be looking to put us in a worse position just for the sake of it.
 
It's as much about what we will accept as it is what deal we're going to get. Clearly a large part of the population do not want to accept free movement, he knows this and Theresa May knows this. They'll have to get the best deal for us with that in mind. I don't see any point in us leaving the EU to stay in the EEA and have free movement imposed upon us, it would make the entire thing expensive and pointless

It would. But leaving the single market and seeing the break up of the UK would just be plain very expensive. It would eclips the benefits of leaving the EU many times over.

This is why people say the leave campaign was essential a lie. We can't have our cake and eat it. The proposition they put forward wasn't based in reality.

There is absolutely 100% no way any British PM is going to jeopardise the integral and economic well-being of the UK in order to secure tighter border controls, which by the leave campaigns own admission, wouldn't significantly reduce inward migration.
 
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Aside from the Turkey attempted coup, what is next for us? The hogs at Westminster taking an age to remove themselves from the trough, this will carry on until we are actually still part of the EU. None of the crooks wanted it, and those who did just wanted power, now we are left with a void which has been filled with people nobody voted for. Personally, if you are an MP and voted stay, you should not have anything to do with the government, the people have spoken, you nailed your colours, now deal with the outcome. I can see if we don't regain some of our sovereignty, then there will be significantly larger marches in London than the 'remain' crew decided to muster. As a chap from the NE said, 'you see them marching here in London, but you won't see any of it anywhere else, Newcastle, Hull, Liverpool, Manchester' etc..

People voted in their droves because they are sick of politicians, but at least here you CAN get rid of them, unlike the un-elected muppets making regulations in Brussels.

This vote was one in the eye for the politicians who nobody has faith in, of course they all wanted to stay in, mainly because they are all multi-millionaires and have no clem about the average joe bloggs and family who live in the UK. People are fed up with the UK being turned into a cess-pit, where we accept everyone, regardless of whether they offer a skill to the country or even work..

The usual loony Depress or Fail reader. Officials in the EU are elected by the country's people or by the Govt those people elected. There are civil servants but then nobody in any country elects civil servants.

If you bothered to look at history the UK is a nation of immigrants, there were no people beforehand. It was all covered in ice.
 
It would. But leaving the single market and seeing the break up of the UK would just be plain very expensive. It would eclips the benefits of leaving the EU many times over.

This is why people say the leave campaign was essential a lie. We can't have our cake and eat it. The proposition they put forward wasn't based in reality.

There is absolutely 100% no way any British PM is going to jeopardise the integral and economic well-being of the UK in order to secure tighter border controls, which by the leave campaigns own admission, wouldn't significantly reduce inward migration.

The UK won't break up, the EU has already said they wouldn't accept Scotland remaining in the EU, Spain won't accept them joining as a fresh country. Theresa May has also said they had a referendum and made a clear decision to stay. I don't see how the UK is going to break up.

If you bothered to look at history the UK is a nation of immigrants, there were no people beforehand. It was all covered in ice.

You can say the same about every single country except some in Africa, that doesn't mean we all need to accept open borders
 
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The UK won't break up, the EU has already said they wouldn't accept Scotland remaining in the EU, Spain won't accept them joining as a fresh country. Theresa May has also said they had a referendum and made a clear decision to stay. I don't see how the UK is going to break up.

They won't accept them remaining, but they will accept there application to join as a new member.
 
I don't know why people are thinking we'll join the EEA, David Davis has already said the EU will have to accept our border controls in any deal

What border controls are you referring to? The only border control I can think of that would affect the EU is one that denies EU passport holders easy access to the UK, and that's unlikely to happen because the UK needs EU workers.

What other border controls can the UK introduce that the EU would even care about?
 
What border controls are you referring to? The only border control I can think of that would affect the EU is one that denies EU passport holders easy access to the UK, and that's unlikely to happen because the UK needs EU workers.

What other border controls can the UK introduce that the EU would even care about?

Well let's be specific, the UK needs some skilled EU workers, along side workers of every nationality. It's very likely we will have control over who can come live here from the EU, this was a very clear point that was made by a majority of the electorate in the referendum
 
Well let's be specific, the UK needs some skilled EU workers, along side workers of every nationality. It's very likely we will have control over who can come live here from the EU, this was a very clear point that was made by a majority of the electorate in the referendum

No it wasn't a clear point at all, the referendum was a binary question on remaining or leaving the EU and the reasons people voted one way or another were wide ranging.
 
No it wasn't a clear point at all, the referendum was a binary question on remaining or leaving the EU and the reasons people voted one way or another were wide ranging.

The referendum results was based on actual issues though, it's completely clear to the PM and government that people no longer want to accept free movement, both David Davis and Theresa May know this
 
It's very likely we will have control over who can come live here from the EU, this was a very clear point that was made by a majority of the electorate in the referendum

Oh really? How will that be achieved, and why do you think it's likely? Even Hannam and Farage have conceded it's virtually impossible. Hannam was actually forced to admit that the Brexit would have virtually no impact on immigration whatsoever, which is the exact opposite of the promise made by the Leave campaign.

So how would you limit EU immigration? What model would you choose?

Perhaps the Norwegian option? Nope, the Norwegian option includes free movement and a financial contribution to the EU, which is exactly what the Leavers campaigned against.

How about the Swiss option? Nope, the Swiss option also includes free movement and a financial contribution to the EU.

Hmm, third time lucky? Can you think of any country on this planet that enjoys the benefits of EU trade agreements and EU subsidies without the obligation of free movement for EU citizens?
 
Oh really? How will that be achieved, and why do you think it's likely? Even Hannam and Farage have conceded it's virtually impossible. Hannam was actually forced to admit that the Brexit would have virtually no impact on immigration whatsoever, which is the exact opposite of the promise made by the Leave campaign.

So how would you limit EU immigration? What model would you choose?

Perhaps the Norwegian option? Nope, the Norwegian option includes free movement and a financial contribution to the EU, which is exactly what the Leavers campaigned against.

How about the Swiss option? Nope, the Swiss option also includes free movement and a financial contribution to the EU.

Hmm, third time lucky? Can you think of any country on this planet that enjoys the benefits of EU trade agreements and EU subsidies without the obligation of free movement for EU citizens?

Loads of countries have trade agreements with the EU without free movement. Canada has a trade deal but won't allow free movement. I'm not sure if you're aware but we have an economy that's almost 3x the size of Norway and Switzerland combined
 
Is there a difference in "freedom of movement" between being a full EU member and being in the EEA?

I don't mind if someone is coming here with a permanent job already in place to go to. With restrictions on claiming for any benefits and paying for treatment on NHS until they have been paying into the system for at least 5 years.

What I do object to is anybody coming in (from EU or beyond) without a job in place to go to, simply to use our benefits system and overwhelm the NHS resources without ever contributing a penny back. (which I have seen first hand)
 
Loads of countries have trade agreements with the EU without free movement.

I said 'The benefits of EU trade agreements and subsidies.'

I'm not sure if you're aware but we have an economy that's almost 3x the size of Norway and Switzerland combined

So what?

I ask again: how would you limit EU immigration? What model would you choose? Why is Hannam saying that the Brexit will have virtually no impact on immigration?
 
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