3 cops have been shot in luisiana

uber soldat said:
Amazing how so many of these supposedly poor people have access to high powered guns.
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not particularly, guns don't cost very much in the grand scheme of things - they're easily available to the rich and poor in the US... whether you're a wealthy businessman or Billy Bob, married to his sister, living in a swamp in bum**** Alabama
 
dowie said:
if only they were armed this would never have happened... oh wait

the root of this issue isn't really racist police but silly gun laws that shape the way US police treat suspects in general... leading to the incidents that BLM people have been pouncing on
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The root of the problem is racist police. America has a history of racism. They even forced segregation on the UK during the War. If the UK had the very lax gun laws that exist in America do you not think the various race riots we have had would have resulted in deaths of policemen.
We have even had the Met Commissioner apologise for institutional racism in the Met. It still seems to be an ongoing problem.
 
do_ron_ron said:
The root of the problem is racist police. America has a history of racism.
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it really doesn't seem to be - simple fact is that the police treat suspects differently over there due to the gun culture

European police are routinely armed and there are certainly European countries with their own share of race issues, yet you don't see the same level of shootings (which also happen to white people far more frequently over there than in Europe too) - that staggering difference in shootings across all races in comparison to Europe is down to gun culture and the way US police treat suspects as a result

do_ron_ron said:
If the UK had the very lax gun laws that exist in America do you not think the various race riots we have had would have resulted in deaths of policemen.
We have even had the Met Commissioner apologise for institutional racism in the Met. It still seems to be an ongoing problem.
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Well exactly and yet if you're purporting that our police are racist too yet we're not seeing black people shot on a regular basis then the main issue behind these deaths here is the gun culture and the way police people treat suspects in general in the US.
 
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I wonder how many racist incidents in the UK are racially motivated rather than someone being scapegoated or "pandering" to a minority shouting racism at the remotest thing (minority as in the people claiming racism rather than black (coloured?) people themselves).

Maybe I've had a sheltered life but I can honestly say I've never met a racist (at least not an openly racist person). Its probably wrong to say such things.
 
do_ron_ron said:
The root of the problem is racist police. America has a history of racism. They even forced segregation on the UK during the War. If the UK had the very lax gun laws that exist in America do you not think the various race riots we have had would have resulted in deaths of policemen.
We have even had the Met Commissioner apologise for institutional racism in the Met. It still seems to be an ongoing problem.
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What a crock of ****.
 
That area is a ghetto. Police never liked going in there in the first place, and now it's just got worse with all the recent social media stuff. A lot of the issue is that people see a video and ASSUME they know what was going on. There is no real deep look at it.

It isn't just black's getting the bad policing, look at the cases of abuse to whites, mexicans and native americans. For example, the kid that was technically dead for 8 minutes by the officer that used a taser, when it just wasn't needed. I think in a lot of cases it has become a **** you mentality by the police.

First and foremost, Police should be there to protect, not to defend themselves as the default assumption.
 
Mynight said:
I wonder how many racist incidents in the UK are racially motivated rather than someone being scapegoated or "pandering" to a minority shouting racism at the remotest thing (minority as in the people claiming racism rather than black (coloured?) people themselves).

Maybe I've had a sheltered life but I can honestly say I've never met a racist (at least not an openly racist person). Its probably wrong to say such things.
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Definitely sheltered. :p

I was talking to someone the other day (well they were talking at me more so than a conversation) - speech went something like

Them: "what do you think about the brexit vote, good eh? It makes sense, heard everyone voted because of the immigration problem. Not the n******, the other ones."

Me: "sorry?"

Them: "yeah the other ones, Indian and Pakistanis and such"

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Especially amongst the older population there is a significant issue of racism, low level perhaps, but it's there.

The problem is it only needs to be low level for issues to be caused. Everything from not hiring the black guy because a white guy was almost as good to being overly cautious and twitchy when policing.
 
Scougar said:
That area is a ghetto. Police never liked going in there in the first place, and now it's just got worse with all the recent social media stuff. A lot of the issue is that people see a video and ASSUME they know what was going on. There is no real deep look at it.

It isn't just black's getting the bad policing, look at the cases of abuse to whites, mexicans and native americans. For example, the kid that was technically dead for 8 minutes by the officer that used a taser, when it just wasn't needed. I think in a lot of cases it has become a **** you mentality by the police.

First and foremost, Police should be there to protect, not to defend themselves as the default assumption.
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Unfortunately some police seem to believe they live in some kind of judge dredd world, where they are the law. The US (and many countries) seem to have a major issue with the culture of policing, and the type of people the police forces attracts as recruits. I'd put many US police at a level only slightly above many seen in some countries in Africa and Asia.

Luckily in the U.K. police still do seem to be about protecting first and foremost. Long may that continue.
 
It's really not all that simple, here is a news clip where a civil rights activist does police training and finds out sometimes you have to shoot people. Edit: Or it escalates quickly what I meant to say.

 
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Scougar said:
That area is a ghetto. Police never liked going in there in the first place, and now it's just got worse with all the recent social media stuff. A lot of the issue is that people see a video and ASSUME they know what was going on. There is no real deep look at it.

It isn't just black's getting the bad policing, look at the cases of abuse to whites, mexicans and native americans. For example, the kid that was technically dead for 8 minutes by the officer that used a taser, when it just wasn't needed. I think in a lot of cases it has become a **** you mentality by the police.

First and foremost, Police should be there to protect, not to defend themselves as the default assumption.
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Sometimes I'm getting the impression so many people just want anarchy.
 
I saw a video of a fatal shooting filmed from a US policeman's body cam. They were left with no choice imo - if you tell someone to put both their hands up and they're still faffing around with their waistline what are the police supposed to do? Feel sorry for the US cops - they're often not very well trained or equipped yet asked to do a really difficult job. Sure, sometimes they screw up but you've got to look at it from their perspective as well.
 
scorza said:
I saw a video of a fatal shooting filmed from a US policeman's body cam. They were left with no choice imo - if you tell someone to put both their hands up and they're still faffing around with their waistline what are the police supposed to do? Feel sorry for the US cops - they're often not very well trained or equipped yet asked to do a really difficult job. Sure, sometimes they screw up but you've got to look at it from their perspective as well.
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do_ron_ron said:
The root of the problem is racist police. America has a history of racism. They even forced segregation on the UK during the War. If the UK had the very lax gun laws that exist in America do you not think the various race riots we have had would have resulted in deaths of policemen.
We have even had the Met Commissioner apologise for institutional racism in the Met. It still seems to be an ongoing problem.
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The root of the problem is large neighbourhoods of very poor black people, gang culture, easy access to guns, high levels of violence and crime within this communities.

If I was any coloured police officer trying to police these communities I'd be pretty damn twitchy.
 
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