Brexit thread - what happens next
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Social and political aspects of the 'tough titty' approach aside, have a look: http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/aus/. For the rest, Google: 'Why Do Trade Talks Take So Long?'
It'll be feasible to conceive of a relatively quick trade deal with some Commonwealth countries allowing limited access to each others' markets each way. Quicker than say it would be in the EU, but not as quick as people think. Certainty no insta-agreements of less than a year, particularly if there's other stuff with bigger players to negotiate. Outside the Commonwealth, even South Korea and Vietnam can drag on, the latter being very trade deal hungry.
You can look up all major trade deals online, including historical date of their signing, activation and effects. The average is something like 5-6 years, dependent on access you're looking for and your market size.
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There is an arrogance in this country that seems to think that anything the UK is not part of will fail or is useless. That's their own problem.
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The post that you replied to explains it.
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Would that not need every country to agree to beforehand as is the normal EU practice.
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Didn't the far right wing guy trying for Austria's Presidency change his mind and now supports the EU.
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In the real world it is not that simple.
Except that as part of Brexit we're potentially throwing out some of the agreements we have in regards to the standards of produce imposed by the EU.
Australia for example will want legally binding agreements that we will meet their own standards as a minimum.
And even with just food items there are hundreds/thousands of regulations and requirements (for example different amounts of preservatives, or ingredients allowed).
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That's what I read following the story regarding the presidential ballot challenge succeeding. It's one thing to protest, delivering on the result is a whole other matter. Interestingly, even Douglas Carswell brought up Austria in passing, to the effect that were he an Austrian populist, his calculation re Ausout would've been different (as in he would stick around in the EU). Hannan echoed a similar sentiment in his musings. You can't make it up.
Of course, a far-right activist could merely use pro-EU rhetoric as a form of entryism into the power structure of his nation. So I remain sceptical on that one.You're talking rubbish. I said it was essentially a marketing campaign aimed at stupid people. No where does that imply I support it or I support lies told in a referendum, it's just a sad reality of modern day Politics.
Worldwide being a list of the Anglocentric nations of the world (Canada, Oz, NZ and sometimes he US)?
The whole argument for leave is "our laws", not being "dictated to" by other countries and "our people". It is isolationist in every sense of the word. It certainly isn't a more global outlook which is what's needed for the future.
We are trying to move away from integrating with the world and clutching at trying to partner with people more like ourselves.
Exactly. Legal regulation, protectionism (welsh hill farmers and English cattle farmers happy with a sudden influx of tarrif free meat for example?)
It surprises me why people seem to think it's so simple when it can take hours for a group of friends to work out where to go for diner some times...
With a UK/Oz trade deal you have 100 million people to appease, many of who are self serving and worry about their jobs and business.
in terms of trade and immigration it is a more global approach
in terms of our laws, regulations it isn't - not sure why that is necessarily a bad thing providing we keep on maintaining human rights etc...
Why a more global approach?
We have control of our immigration policy outside the EU. The problem is many in the UK aren't happy with the amount of immigration into this country, so we will need to reduce it?
The EU was and is making trade agreements worldwide, with the U.K. being an integral part. In fact many of the trade agreements people are mentioning in this thread are agreements the away already has in place or is working towards.
Essentially we are taking a massive step backwards, before striving for (probably 10+) years to get many of the trade deals that the EU is working on right now, while still moving away from the close integration with 26 other nations.
As for laws, regulation and human rights I'll leave that as is but I will question why you think these won't go backwards over the next few years. We have a prime minister that has openly said she wants to repeal the European human rights acts, and is hell bent on a big surveillance state. We have a prior government (with many still in top positions) that wanted to repeal "red tape", which has now become even more right wing in many cases. I see a repealing of a fair few workers rights and environmental protection regulations in the next few years, and less leadership on the international stage. I guess we can just be glad the other woman didn't get in...
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As for laws, regulation and human rights I'll leave that as is but I will question why you think these won't go backwards over the next few years. We have a prime minister that has openly said she wants to repeal the European human rights acts, and is hell bent on a big surveillance state. We have a prior government (with many still in top positions) that wanted to repeal "red tape", which has now become even more right wing in many cases. I see a repealing of a fair few workers rights and environmental protection regulations in the next few years, and less leadership on the international stage. I guess we can just be glad the other woman didn't get in...
That speech has been deleted by May's staffers, and the other woman is in charge of DEFRA now, isn't she?
Not out of the woods yet! Much will be clear after this Brexit cabinet in 2019/2020. They'll have to put something concrete in their manifestos at least. Another reshuffle will follow.
The EU is a giant Protectionist Customs and political union that only works for those who have the power to make things happen. It is far from being Globalist in nature and only helps to protect large EU industries that have the power to lobby for legislation to further protect themselves within the trade block.
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What an incredibly sweeping statement.
Presumably small and local manufacturing firms do not benefit from import tariffs on cheap Chinese alternatives, according to you? After all, only large industries benefit according to you.
We shall have to agree to disagree there again. If it was protectionist it wouldn't be working on so many trade deals. All counties/groups are going to be working to protect their own, it's why the TTIP is such a mess at the moment and why it will take years for the Uk to do trade deals with other nations, the U.K. will protect its own.
Better write that to the EU and all the news articles that are reporting it.
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