Brexit thread - what happens next

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phil675 said:
I was referring to how they pick and choose skills they want, I don't know what's confusing about that, they have all these things that they want: http://www.immigration.ca/en/fast-track-high-demand-occupations.html

So if you meet the criteria you get in much quicker than the normal process. If we are running short of backstreet carwashers the government can respond to that need.
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The result of being selective amongst EU member states is going to be negligibly different to what we have today. Migration statistics from other OECD countries show that the UK isn't exceptional in its levels of net migration. If anything, it's quite modest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

This country needs people in most sectors. If you were the government, what areas could you cut significantly enough that it would justify leaving the EU entirely?

These are all important points. Because at the moment, whether you agree with migration or not, I'm struggling to see the justification, and we're entering into something highly risky with our eyes shut.
 
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delta0 said:
Is that a joke?

Use the visa premium service. You can get them same day. My wife used this before we were married (I went with her to the centre in Croydon). Also people at my work have used this. Book it and get all your paperwork together. You get your visa confirmed (or denied) within an hour or 2 after. If you can't get to the centr then you can also pay for the super premium service where they cost you. It is still 24 hours turn around.
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Out of interest what kind of visa was that? If be interested to know as I'm sure it was nothing like a right to remain or long time work visa. Going through the police, background, medical and education checks would take significantly longer than that. It's also out of keeping with most other countries which take months/years for skilled workers. Perhaps that's why they got rid of it?
 
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Roar87 said:
Where have they said they want to have access to the single market? They've said they want a good deal for the UK and want to curb free movement. You seem to be under the impression that we'll just capitulate to the EU, I don't think May is that sort of PM
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While the German and French leaders have said the UK's vote to leave must be respected, both are facing re-election next year and under domestic political pressure to drive a hard bargain.

They have suggested no special exceptions can be made for Britain in terms of continued access to the EU's single market if, as Mrs May has insisted, the UK seeks controls on freedom of movement rules.
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n111ck said:
There's a lot of brexit positivity in tomorrow's papers...

Edit - today's even!!
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Positivity and actually wanting something done apart from sitting on our backsides wondering are completely different.

I get where you're coming from, but its more like lets just get on with it rather than its great.

Even as a remainer I'd rather something actually be done rather than whats going on now.

but then theres this which sort of undermines all that :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36841066
 
Boycey0211 said:
Positivity and actually wanting something done apart from sitting on our backsides wondering are completely different.

I get where you're coming from, but its more like lets just get on with it rather than its great.

Even as a remainer I'd rather something actually be done rather than whats going on now.

but then theres this which sort of undermines all that :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36841066
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You think theres a load of people just sat on their backsides in London thinking I wonder when we should actually do something? I expect they are trying to start to put together a list of policies to take to the negotiation but the likes of you and me aren't privvy to everything thats going on.

I'd rather they went with a plan than just said were leaving oh and dont know what we want to negotiate yet
 
Billies Bangers said:
I was listening to a piece on the radio yesterday that said if you are white, low income, with poor education attainment the likelihood is you voted for Brexit. That is exactly the same demographic in the U.S. that are backing Trump for President.

Not only that but it's a similar demographic that are agitating for drastic change across Europe. Surely that should be ringing alarm bells with politicians everywhere.

Rightly or wrongly this demographic feels left behind by society and does not have a share in the wealth of the country they were born in. They feel their whole way of life is under threat from immigration and it's a toxic mix.

I don't pretend to have an answer to this conundrum and I suspect neither do the politicians.
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Theres Being left behind and then there's being lazy. Unfortunately a lot of the lazy have been told by the the sun, daily mail and farage for a long time that their problems stem from immigration and the EU.... and not their own doings and their own government.
 
Before you leap, look where you will land. Its probably sensible to end up with a lot of contracts ready to sign the second we do leave, we can arrange that without officially doing anything just on good faith UK can talk out feasible outcomes with trading partners
 
Amp34 said:
Out of interest what kind of visa was that? If be interested to know as I'm sure it was nothing like a right to remain or long time work visa. Going through the police, background, medical and education checks would take significantly longer than that. It's also out of keeping with most other countries which take months/years for skilled workers. Perhaps that's why they got rid of it?
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Actually hers was indefinite leave to remain. The most recent one we had at work was a tier 2. He is Brazilian.
 
dalehitchy1 said:
Theres Being left behind and then there's being lazy. Unfortunately a lot of the lazy have been told by the the sun, daily mail and farage for a long time that their problems stem from immigration and the EU.... and not their own doings and their own government.
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I prefer to avoid putting the lazy label on large groups of people. The poor and the low skilled are angry, yes but the underlying causes are linked to govt. policies. The financial crisis was difficult for everyone but the rich and the highly skilled had more tools to protect themselves from the fallout where as the poor and the low skilled had to absord the shocks directly.

The US politicians responded with a stimulus plan while the Europeans chose austerity. The stimulus plan was a bit more effective at generating growth but both policies failed in the sense that all of the post crisis growth was felt mainly by the rich and, to a lesser extent, the highly skilled. So now we have lots of frustrated people that are indeed left behind.

Angry, desperate people often turn to easy, quick fix solutions: the Mexicans or the Muslims or the EU did it. The tabloids are selling well, the populists gain political capital but everyone loses.

Unless the policies start shifting towards better redistribution of wealth, the anger and frustration will only increase and the populists will become nastier. So that's the only solution at the moment, giving these groups of people a larger piece of the pie.
 
scorza said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-36846472

Chinese manufacturing company announces plans to invest an initial £220m into Sheffield, the total investment could rise to £1bn. Brexit is turning into an economic nightmare!
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How is that related to Brexit in any way? It even says the deal has been more than 18 months in the making? :confused:

Unless you're trying to insinuate that every deal that was on the table by a foreign company when Brexit hit was expected to suddenly fall under and the company pull out?
 
Mr Jack said:
Recession is coming says Blanchflower.
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One of the comments in that article read my mind! Copied below.

Blanchflower lost all credibility with his doom and gloom forecast of 5 million unemployed which not only never happened but the exact opposite took place. He later tried to prove it had in fact happened and was proved totally wrong about that. On the evidence of his past predictions we can expect boom times.
 
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