So you believe that British people have no right to a family life unless they earn as a sufficient level? That living with your wife, or husband, and children is a privilege you pay for?
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So you believe that British people have no right to a family life unless they earn as a sufficient level? That living with your wife, or husband, and children is a privilege you pay for?
If it's such a big issue just do what they do here. Require the sponsor to guarantee the costs of the sponsored (spouse/child) if it all goes sour.
I.e. If you bring over a spouse and the spouse breaks the law and gets deported you are liable for any let of medical care, benefits or other state aid the spouse has claimed/used.
There is also now a requirement for the sponsor and sponsored to live and be a couple for two years after arrival, otherwise the sponsored loses the right to remain.
How would that work in the case of a married couple that married in another country then applied for citizenship. Surely the British government couldn't declare their marriage void?
Out of interest what is the British system like regarding naturalized British citizens sponsoring families. I presume there is a clause in their application that says they have to name their family on it and that anyone not on it will be ineligible for sponsorship at a future date (I.e. The government know their potential commitments/liabilities before they grant citizenship to the naturalized citizen).
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How did they meet their partner? I mean dating, falling in love, marrying then having children with someone takes more than a few months right?
It takes longer than a holiday visa that's for sure, unless you're the type of person who delights in going on Jeremy Kyle. In other words the British person must already have right to remain in their current host nation and wouldn't need to come back.
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I've actually realised you lot were talking about ex-pats I thought it was about people from outside the UK.
But the point remains, who you marry or which woman you drop out of shouldn't automatically give you the right to live in another country. If you go to another country and marry someone, that was your choice, stay there if you want to be with them?
Absolute rubbish
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Where's Moses when you need him?
They can decline if they suspect and can demonstrate it's a sham marriage. Conditions apply also if you're to be married in the UK but were engaged overseas.
Not sure from memory on other non-EU specifics, but citizens' advice has a table linking to summaries of conditions and requirements here: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/l...for-your-spouse-or-partner-to-live-in-the-uk/.
I also remember using this in a prior discussion on immigration specifically: https://www.gov.uk/join-family-in-uk/overview . Restrictions and exceptions should be spelled out there. Section 3's the meat of it.
As a side note:http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....alisation-british-citizen-concepts-and-trends.
I think the standard length of time is around 5 years for naturalization. That's a lot longer than many requirements/standards for relationships. Plenty of time for someone to get married and have a kid.
Ignoring the fact you're basically arguing for British people not to be allowed back because they had the gall to get into a relationship with a "foreigner"... If they were on the equivalent of a British tier 2 visa/a fixed term work visa/work visa specific to one company, which was not renewed then it's perfectly plausible that a British citizen may be in a legitimate long term relationship and still have to leave the country.
There are plenty of other situations not covered by the above as well. A prime example people on visiting forces or diplomatic visas, which don't count towards living in the UK AFAIK.
Who said that?
Do you not believe in personal responsibility? The biological urge to bang the natives trumps all? Is there any reason to your argument other than 'muh feelings'?
What happens if you met them in the uk? Should the spouse have to leave the UK at the end of their visa even though they have been in a relationship with a British person for several years? Why should they not be allowed to continue living with their British partner? Or would you argue that the British citizen should be forced to leave with their foreign spouse? Let's just hope no other countries implement that rule or it would be disaster...
Because who they marry should not have anything to do with eligibility to stay here.
No that's dumb and I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from.
Estabanray essentially said it
To me that sounds like they either have to separate from their family or not come back.
No, I believe that family is important and that love does not stop at national/racial/cultural boundaries.
Other than the argument that family is one of the most important things in life, no I don't have any. I guess keeping borders closed is more important than family to you?
Edit: the question about whether skilled workers could bring their families over to the UK with them was missed. It would be interesting to know opinions on that still.
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National boundaries are important, love transcends all doesn't really cut it.
Keeping useless people out is important to me, we already enough useless natives here.
When we talk about people going to other countries and marrying people there, this is 100% their choice and not some unavoidable circumstance that we should be forced to cater for.
Ok, so we've forced tens/hundreds of thousands of Brits to leave the country, banned (essentially) hundreds of thousands of Brits from coming back, stopped hundreds of thousands of Brits emigrating (much harder to move to the EU), and stopped hundreds of thousands of EU nationals moving here. Now what do we do with the other visas to keep the numbers down to tens of thousands?
Let's say we have an aim of 60,000 net (to be generous). That would mean stopping pretty much all student visas and cutting the number of skilled worker visas significantly. Is that going to affect the UK economy, or will Brits upskill massively to fill the gap? That said much of the skilled visa cuts will be done naturally when we ban skilled workers from bringing family over. It'll stop most people over 30 applying and a lot of people under 30 won't have the skills/experience required to get the visa in the first place.
Sounds like a plan Stan!
Out of interest what do you do Phil? Just trying to work out if you're one of the highly skilled or if you do a job that's easily replaceable. Wouldn't want you to be one of those useless natives!
Let's say we have an aim of 60,000 net (to be generous). That would mean stopping pretty much all student visas and cutting the number of skilled worker visas significantly. Is that going to affect the UK economy, or will Brits upskill massively to fill the gap? That said much of the skilled visa cuts will be done naturally when we ban skilled workers from bringing family over. It'll stop most people over 30 applying and a lot of people under 30 won't have the skills/experience required to get the visa in the first place.
Sounds like a plan Stan!
Out of interest what do you do Phil? Just trying to work out if you're one of the highly skilled or if you do a job that's easily replaceable. Wouldn't want you to be one of those useless natives!
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Your premise is rubbish.
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There maybe be trouble ahead 
:- Spain could veto Brexit talks, Margallo says
:- Spain could veto Brexit talks, Margallo saysWhy is it rubbish? You're prioritizing skilled workers over families. If the Conservative cap is to be realized then there is no way any families will ever be able to come over as we will desperately need skilled migrants.
Ergo many people will just make the decision to jump ship and move to the country their other half is from, or just not come back. That's what you appear to want.
You still haven't answered the question of whether we let the families of skilled workers in with them either.
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Are you suggesting that a British person should not be Ble to marry someone from a foreign nation unless the British person has the right to reside there?
Is this actually what you are suggesting?
Your premise is rubbish because you massively exaggerate with your talk of effectively banning people from coming home. THEY make the choice to marry somebody in another nation, THEY live with the consequences. If somebody has already taken the massive step to live and work somewhere else for a considerable period of time they are committing themselves to anything they do over there.
A family of dependents brings no benefit to the nation at all. What we need is people who bring benefits with them not more problems.
I've already said skilled workers could bring a family if they are loaded or the spouse has skills too.
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