Brexit thread - what happens next

[Nate--IRL--]

Actually that's a very good question.

Would there be any objections to a referendum on the negotiated deal with the EU (the one after the A50 negotiations conclude)?

Nate

 

[Skunkworks]

Give us free access to the single market and stuff your free movement or we walk away with our big fat wallets and watch you fall apart.

 

[PapaLazaru]

Give us free access to the single market and stuff your free movement or we walk away with our big fat wallets and watch you fall apart.

Go to bed.

 

[dlite]

Let's check the facts:
1) Anyone who voted remain, simultaneously voted to remain part of EEA, because there is no option of being in EU but out of EEA
2) Leave people didn't discriminate in their stance regarding EEA

Is it plausible that more than 5% of people in "leave camp" actually want to stay in EEA?

Just 5% of leave camp + 100% of remain would actually mean that majority of the people are in favour of staying in EEA.

 

[Amp34]

It's not that simple. A healthy childless man earning £28k is taking less from society than a man with an lifelong medical condition earning £38k with two kids is.

Well obviously, the whole point is it's an average amount.

 

[Simon]

Can you Remainers tell how good a film is from the first 5 seconds too?

I tend to see if it's worth bothering watching first. Rather than waste two hours then wish I could go back in time and not watch it ...

 

[Cern]

Let's check the facts:
1) Anyone who voted remain, simultaneously voted to remain part of EEA, because there is no option of being in EU but out of EEA
2) Leave people didn't discriminate in their stance regarding EEA

Is it plausible that more than 5% of people in "leave camp" actually want to stay in EEA?

Just 5% of leave camp + 100% of remain would actually mean that majority of the people are in favour of staying in EEA.

It's entirely plausible that more than 5% of Leavers are having second thoughts and would be happy with a compromise such as EEA membership. Some reasons might be:

1) the lies that were told by the Leave campaign now coming home to roost.
2) the lack of plans for a successful Brexit and the collapse / cowardice / backstabbing of the Brexit campaign leaders.
3) the likelihood that the stated objectives of Brexit can't be realistically achieved (especially immigration control) and some kind of fudged compromise will be the result.
4) they didn't realise the economic impact / implications would be so severe (not just what's already happened, but what is now predicted to happen).
5) they didn't realise that the EU membership actually does have some positive aspects too and that a lot of EU money gets spent on all manner of projects in the UK.
6) they don't want to see the breakup of the UK, which now looks rather likely with Brexit.
7) they only voted Leave as a protest vote and didn't really expect to win and aren't happy about the upheaval, unrest and uncertainty that's been caused.

Of course some Remainers might vote differently too on a re-run. But my *subjective* feeling from people I've spoken to since the vote is that there's more Leavers with remorse than Remainers.

 

[Skunkworks]

I wonder how the recent mass murders on mainland Europe would affect a 2nd vote which wont happen anyway.

 

[Mr Jack]

Give us free access to the single market and stuff your free movement or we walk away with our big fat wallets and watch you fall apart.

You missed the words 'can watch us' out of the final part of your sentence between 'you' and 'fall'. We need the EU far more than they need us.

We can either have access to the single market and free movement, or we can not have access to the single market. If we're lucky we might manage to negotiate some kind of tariff-free deal but that will take time.

I'm pretty sure we'll end up back in the EEA/EFTA fairly soon regardless of what the immediate position post-Brexit is. The benefits of the single market are just too critical.

 

[Mr Badger]

You missed the words 'can watch us' out of the final part of your sentence between 'you' and 'fall'. We need the EU far more than they need us.

We can either have access to the single market and free movement, or we can not have access to the single market. If we're lucky we might manage to negotiate some kind of tariff-free deal but that will take time.

I'm pretty sure we'll end up back in the EEA/EFTA fairly soon regardless of what the immediate position post-Brexit is. The benefits of the single market are just too critical.

But of course without our veto and rebate.

Just imagine if we could keep our own currency, be protected from any Eurozone bailout activity, remain a sovereign nation and also benefit from full single market access and be able to influence EU legislation rather than just have to accept it.

 

[VoG]

Well if the Guardian are to be believed there's an "emergency brake" concession being considered by the EU for the UK, which could last from 7 t0 10 years.

Senior British and EU sources have confirmed that despite strong initial resistance from French president François Hollande in talks with prime minister Theresa May last week, the idea of an emergency brake on the free movement of people that would go far further than the one David Cameron negotiated before the Brexit referendum is being examined.

If such an agreement were struck, and a strict time limit imposed, diplomats believe it could go a long way towards addressing concerns of the British people over immigration from EU states, while allowing the UK full trade access to the European market.

While the plan will prove highly controversial in many member states, including France, Poland and other central and eastern European nations, the attraction is that it would limit the economic shock to the EU economy from Brexit by keeping the UK in the single market, and lessen the political damage to the European project that would result from complete divorce.

 

[Bonjour]

Can you Remainers tell how good a film is from the first 5 seconds too?

If the movie is Titanic...

 

[kitch9]

Give us free access to the single market and stuff your free movement or we walk away with our big fat wallets and watch you fall apart.

I think having free movement without access to in work benefits from day one would be perfectly fine.

I still don't understand why the EU insists on that to this day. If someone is moving country but needs in work benefits to pay for it that suggests that it's not an economically viable move.

If we then have the freedom to negotiate our own trade deals, along with only imposing EU regs on the goods and services actually going to the EU then that would be sensible.

High immigration is always going to be a thing, such is the way of the world but we should at least raise the bar of those who are coming in.

My town is struggling under legions of warring Roma, Slovaks and Polish who create hellish mess, noise, violence and the theiving is getting out of control. They literally hate each other and have been lumped together in a melting pot. Unfortunately because they are lower earners they get placed in areas with had its own social problems prior to mass immigration so the place just goes completely down the drain and become literally no go areas.

Minor tariffs my be possible also, which could be reciprocated, we would have a net gain due to this though as we have a massive trade deficit.

 

[deuse]

Well if the Guardian are to be believed there's an "emergency brake" concession being considered by the EU for the UK, which could last from 7 t0 10 years.

The problem with that is a brake can be released at any time.

In the german news papers, they are asking Merkel to sort it out as they don't want to lose there £49bn a year exports to the UK

 

[mid_gen]

Sentiment from here is mostly "well you want out, so get out". Haven't met anyone with any kind of willingness to make concessions, will be a very hard sell to Germans to give the UK a sweet deal.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Sentiment from here is mostly "well you want out, so get out". Haven't met anyone with any kind of willingness to make concessions, will be a very hard sell to Germans to give the UK a sweet deal.

That is the other thorn. Some countries have elections coming up and were I think the politicians would like to do a deal along those lines the public would not support them. People think the 'peasants revolt' is somehow a purely British phenomena but the rise of Trump, for example, shows it is not. I think some of the Europeans will want to stage their version and vote against politicians that want to keep the system.

 

[Gabbatek]

What happens next? Everyone with money in european markets gets f'd in the a

luckily, most of my shares are in the u.s.a and property

 

[do_ron_ron]

What happens next? Everyone with money in european markets gets f'd in the a

luckily, most of my shares are in the u.s.a and property

With Trump maybe becoming Pres that may not be too safe either.

 

[Sankari]

What happens next? Everyone with money in european markets gets f'd in the a

luckily, most of my shares are in the u.s.a and property

You'd better get on your knees and pray that Clinton wins the presidential race.

 

[Gabbatek]

With Trump maybe becoming Pres that may not be too safe either.

It's in the evil pharmaceutical and oil companies it's all good!

You'd better get on your knees and pray that Clinton wins the presidential race.

God no! Shes paid for by the banks, everything trump says about her is true.
Should read her emails lol shes a sneaky ****