Punching kids on public transport

Efour said:
Every child should be beaten into a state of perpetual fear then put through a military style respect course by the age of 11. THe course would include continual but random beating and sensory deprivation.

By the end of the course, all participants should be able to field strip an AK47 in the dark and their activation keywords should be deeply embedded.
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I don't see why not because according to all the SJW such things would never make them more likely to commit violence if they were to move to another country. :p
 
Xordium said:
So why say it then if you know it's not permitted in that situation. :confused:
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I didn't mean use it day to day, most of the time Police and Mental Health nurses have help, they're in situations where they are restraining patients who are out numbered and they can safely use the proper techniques designed for that situation. It's when they don't have backup and they're caught off guard that they may need to be able to defend them self one to one and ideally it would be without causing unnecessary damage to the suspect or patience; Jiu Jitsu is ideal for that
 
People bitch about the kids and I'd like to take a baseball bat or claw hammer to them sometimes but I always remind myself that it is the parents fault and not the childs. It is mostly crappy parents that cause these issues.
 
Dis86 said:
Look up Mary Bell. She killed 2 children when she was aged 11. I reference her because my step-dad was a police officer in the area where she committed the crimes. Look at what she did.

Then of course we have the killers of James Bulger who were 10 years old.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...even-accused-of-violent-crime-on-parents.html

For more stats.

Again you're assuming he instigated a conflict by asking them to get their feet off the seats. You've just complained about people assuming things in the German thread.

"It’s understood that the children had been sitting with their feet on the seats, and were approached by the man who asked them to put them down."

How is asking someone not to be an anti-social twerp instigating a fight?

"“They were being quite cocky,” he said.

Other reports too suggest that this was the case."

So there we have that they instigated it.

Also...keep in mind the dude was a pensioner! He's not exactly rambo.
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Absolutely there examples of 11 year old children committing crimes (awful in the examples given), but I would wager that they are not the 'norm' for crime statistics?

Also; no, but like you said with judgements and assuming. You are assuming he made the request in a polite, friendly manner, which could have been the opposite :).

Again; children being cocky is not... a surprise? Again, I mentioned I've taught/worked in schools and have worked with difficult children, the children have on occasion acted like complete idiots and been awful, but it never crossed my mind that 'I know what'll teach them, assault'.
 
Doogles said:
People bitch about the kids and I'd like to take a baseball bat or claw hammer to them sometimes but I always remind myself that it is the parents fault and not the childs. It is mostly crappy parents that cause these issues.
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Eh? A good friend of mine was beaten to death with a hammer claw; by a total headcase. How was that the parents fault? (both teens)
 
Thompson_NCL said:
I'll not argue with you when I know nothing of the case, but people don't suddenly commit murder like that. There is usually a history of mental illness or motive.
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I misread; I thought you meant blaming the victims parents. Which, are absolutely blameless, though they sought to blame video games for the attack generally.

The attacker; lured my friend to a park and attacked him, mercilessly with a claw hammer.

Do I blame the attackers parents? No, not particularly, nor would I hold them responsible. As much love, education, discipline, et certa you give people it does not 'force' them to be a particular way. Similarly; when the opposite is true, when children are raised in abhorrent circumstance or subject to abhorrent acts, they do not become terrible people (though abuse/neglect et cetera - the children's parents/guardians/people responsible should be punished, similarly over bearing parents need to be taught to understood about it too).

People for you.
 
Tummy said:
I misread; I thought you meant blaming the victims parents. Which, are absolutely blameless, though they sought to blame video games for the attack generally.

The attacker; lured my friend to a park and attacked him, mercilessly with a claw hammer.

Do I blame the attackers parents? No, not particularly, nor would I hold them responsible. As much love, education, discipline, et certa you give people it does not 'force' them to be a particular way. Similarly; when the opposite is true, when children are raised in abhorrent circumstance or subject to abhorrent acts, they do not become terrible people (though abuse/neglect et cetera - the children's parents/guardians/people responsible should be punished, similarly over bearing parents need to be taught to understood about it too).

People for you.
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I am not suggesting the parents are wholly or even mostly responsible. He acted of his own accord and is responsible for his actions. But his parents raised him, his actions are evidence of their failings as parents.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
I am not suggesting the parents are wholly or even mostly responsible. He acted of his own accord and is responsible for his actions. But his parents raised him, his actions are evidence of their failings as parents.
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No, because I do not think it is down to 'failings' as a parent that your child commits a horrible crime, or what they become (I mean, there are examples of serious damage caused by parents, but generally). Children, young adults, even adults are all capable of changing and developing their own moral compass.

I am not for a second saying that the socialisation primary and secondary are not to blame or rather, do not have influence on people. However it just seems like a cop out, 'blame the parents' rather than looking at the individual, and what events occurred.
 
a parent should be allowed more room for discipline, and by that I don't mean beating the daylights out of them, but its gone OTT on political correctness now, I remember the caning in school days.
 
I told a woman off on the tube once for putting her feet on the seat.

I said "would you put your feet up on your sofa at home with your shoes on?"
She said "yes" obviously, I retorted "so you're quite happy to sit in the ****, pigeon crap, snot, phlegm, and puke that your shoes pick up?" She said "no, sorry" and took them down.

Starry bra.
 
How many of you would put your outdoor footwear up on your own furniture or that of your friends and family? I am amazed at those who think putting your dirty shoes up on surfaces other people are going to sit on is absolutely fine....WTF.

How the bloke reacted was wrong, but the behaviour of the kids was also disrespectful.
 
21st century children lack very basic life skills. Discipline, respect and the fear of repercussions from their actions.

I hear kids as young as 7 swearing at the top of their lungs in their squeaky voices, and shudder at the thought of their parents.

Parents should have their dole money docked for their children's bad behavior.
 
chris_h said:
21st century children lack very basic life skills. Discipline, respect and the fear of repercussions from their actions.

I hear kids as young as 7 swearing at the top of their lungs in their squeaky voices, and shudder at the thought of their parents.

Parents should have their dole money docked for their children's bad behavior.
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Guess what 20th century kids were the same it's not some new phenomena and it's got sod all to do with whether their parents are on benefits or not some of the nicest people I know grew up in single parent families on benefits and some of the most unpleasant individuals I know had every chance in life with both parents around and making good money.
 
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