Won't happen. Good luck with that scenario.
Brexit thread - what happens next
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Won't happen. Good luck with that scenario.
Actually thats questionable.
Yes, we will probably be leaving the EU, but the more people moan the more the government may decide to untangle us less from the EU.
There are so many leave options that there is still a lot to play for. In the same way that if freedom of movement looks like it may be here to stay,even outside the EU , many people that voted leave and are against that will be vocal.
No one knows.
It's like a plane at 30,000 feet, it's wings just fell of and it's heading down at an ever increasing rate. I'm saying it will crash, you will say it's not crashed yet so you can't say that as some bloke is about to launch a special plane catcher if everyone will just agree. Now you can chose to debate the intricacies if you feel my point is far to simplistic, but I am confident (I don't need or seek you to disprove/debate that...I've concluded based on above that I feel it's done) you'll spend months debating your intricacies as we exit the EU and tick all your boxes, without another vote and having signed and agreed all articles.
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Because of the different scenarios it's not a binary answer as far as end result to the UK goes.
Is that better?
I am confident it's done bar the negotiations on terms. Woulda, shoulda, coulda and 'yea but' arguments have never been something I have much time for, gotta get on with life and when you make a decision you act on it. We have tons of pages about this of shoulda, woulda, coulda yea but, but the end point is some still think it's not done, some do.
One side it right.
It is in or out, that is binary.
You are perhaps keen to debate the terms, but that doesn't change the in or out aspect to me, it's just terms of out, a different discussion.
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The end terms are more important than in or out.
If UK opt out of freedom of movement, it means that he cannot just go off to EU anymore. He needs a Visa and work permit, which EU countries can just decide not to give.
Sure, some highly demanded professionals are always welcome everywhere, but that only applies to a small subset of the population.
Which countries can your average UK citizen "just bugger off" if UK opts out of EEA and they end up disliking it here?
Right now any adult Briton can just take the next £50 Ryanair / easyjet flight to Southern Europe, get hired as a tour guide / bartender whatnot and start a life there. If freedom of movement is removed, this becomes (at least in principle) impossible.
On that we can agree, but as I say, that is a different discussion.
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It's really not that simple no matter how you try to paint it - there was no clear strategy of what out means and there are so many differing opinions on it and reasons people voted the outcome is completely unclear, it may be by the end of figuring out what out actually is, more remain voters are happy than leave voters - taking it as binary is ridiculous given the complexities involved.
Why would anyone hope or pray that the country they love and live in will collapse into disaster just so they can say "told you so"? Are Remainers less patriotic than Leavers then? You do realise how ridiculous all of this sounds?
"We're all in this together" is a cliche, but in this situation it's true. We either all sink or all swim. Together. Apart from the ultra rich of course who will profit from all this regardless.
But that doesn't mean Remainers should just "deal with it" and blindy accept whatever Brexit brings. Brexit can potentially bring good things and it can also potentially bring a lot of bad things. Expect a strong debate about what shape Brexit takes.
And if some group or other is intent on drilling a hole in the bottom of the boat, expect opposition. Don't think that opponents will just sit there and let the boat fill up with water so they can say "see I told you we'd sink".
I'm sure it is all done bar the negotiations, but what is negotiated could be anything from WHO runs and no connection with the EU at all to a situation where we have everything we have now but not being officially part of the EU.
The more people vocally showing their disappointment at the way the vote went the more likely the government are to agree to a deal very close to what we have now. That was my point. Just as the more people wanting the removal of free movement are vocal the more the government may just to revoke it.
It isn't, stop and think about my point. Are we out or are we in. It is a yes/no point. Everything else are just terms but to MY point, we are out and now it's just a debate on terms or do you think we might actually still be in because some stuff might happen that no one is able to explain?
But no one has provided any evidence that if we voted again the result would be different, what we have is conjecture and debates about broken promises, both of which miss the point in my opinion and are also irrelevant because we won't have another vote so again we are now into a discussion of terms but those terms are relating to how we leave not how we might change things so we actually stay.
As someone mentioned earlier it's an opinion poll it holds no legal power.
Yes GE are legally binding. Also I think in some countries a second GE can be called if results are close/under the right conditions.
However to answer you qestion with respect to the United Kingdom and the point that I made which I quote:
Firstly GE are reversible hence they occur every 5 years.
Secondly, exiting from the EU will force major changes to legislation across a wide range topics/subject matters in the United Kingdom and will affect everyone in the country to varying degrees. GE generally do not have such an effect on the country. Technically speaking the EU referendum has a bigger affect than your average GE.
Also poor attempt at a snide remark.
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"Out" is not defined therefore it's not a set outcome, there will be things that people who voted leave will consider to not be their version of "out" the question was yes no but there's hundreds of interpretations of what that means - you want to over simplify it to make it into sides and winners and losers - it's just.not possible
The terms are crucial and unable to be separated from the question - I'm astounded that people have voted with no definition, manifesto or focus on the actual realities of the outcome
Well if you put it that way then we are IN and will be IN till at least 2019 based on what we know at the moment from May.
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I'm astounded that people have voted with no definition, manifesto or focus on the actual realities of the outcome
You clearly didn't understand the referendum from the outset then.
You clearly didn't understand the referendum from the outset then.
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