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http://wccftech.com/sweeney-microsoft-will-force-patch-windows-10-make-steam-progressively-worse-broken/
Think i'll stick to my Win 7
Sweeney: Microsoft Will Force-patch Windows 10 To Make Steam Progressively Worse And More Broken
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http://wccftech.com/sweeney-microsoft-will-force-patch-windows-10-make-steam-progressively-worse-broken/
Think i'll stick to my Win 7
Meh, they could quite happily bring that to W7 as well if they felt the need too. It won't change anything, Steam will adapt to suit what is needed if MS push anything. Making it a completely closed system wouldn't work because there are too many 3rd party requirements.
People over reacting to silly comments again haha
People over reacting to silly comments again haha
With W7 though you have far more control over updates making it easier to avoid anything like that unless it was bundled into security updates.
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God this fella again, didn't he rant about Win10 earlier this year?
edit: yep back in March
edit: yep back in March
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The whole reason I use windows is win32, the new platform is absolutely **** and I never use any of its features.
I don't need nanny MS do decide what to do/not do with my pc.
I upgraded to Win10 for the windows store games (Forza), and otherwise I don't have many real complaints. But that is because I'm using it like I used to use Win7...
I don't need nanny MS do decide what to do/not do with my pc.
I upgraded to Win10 for the windows store games (Forza), and otherwise I don't have many real complaints. But that is because I'm using it like I used to use Win7...
There is plenty to rant about with Windows 10
Definitely, for my main pc I manage, but for Kiosk/unattanded applications (even in versions like embedded pro retail or enterprise retailer), or the latest Windows server versions, some things are really appalling.
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so how exactly is Microsoft breaking steam then?
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bet Microsofts lawyers are thinking the same thing.
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Steam is already far from perfect and I really don't understand the way some people worship Steam and Gabe- they're just as money-grabbing and profiteering as any other distribution platform, but they're a business, what do you expect? I use steam out of necessity and would not be upset in the slightest if Steam 'went away', as long as I still had access to my games (even if they all got transferred to the Windows Store or something).
At the same time, I doubt MS specifically want to kill off Steam, it seems rather far-fetched. The Windows Store could not replace Steam as it stands it is an app store full of junk games and apps, many aimed at tablets, whereas Steam is first and foremost a games platform which has different requirements.
As an aside I feel that (for enthusiasts/tinkerers) Windows 10 is a pile of poo- I don't need or want any of the new features included like Cortana, OneDrive, forced updates, metro-y start menu, removal or replacement of nice little features (I can't turn off 'show my recently used apps' in the start menu and make my own permanent list, like I can in W7, I can't have a similar fixed favourites on the left hand-side navigation pane when browsing folders, just that dynamic quick access which means random folders deep in game directories will appear even if I only use them for one day when adding mods!, I can't have the lower bar show details like image resolution, size, date; it's in a bloated less informative 'details' pane on the right hand side.. arrgh getting angry now!)
At the same time, I doubt MS specifically want to kill off Steam, it seems rather far-fetched. The Windows Store could not replace Steam as it stands it is an app store full of junk games and apps, many aimed at tablets, whereas Steam is first and foremost a games platform which has different requirements.
As an aside I feel that (for enthusiasts/tinkerers) Windows 10 is a pile of poo- I don't need or want any of the new features included like Cortana, OneDrive, forced updates, metro-y start menu, removal or replacement of nice little features (I can't turn off 'show my recently used apps' in the start menu and make my own permanent list, like I can in W7, I can't have a similar fixed favourites on the left hand-side navigation pane when browsing folders, just that dynamic quick access which means random folders deep in game directories will appear even if I only use them for one day when adding mods!, I can't have the lower bar show details like image resolution, size, date; it's in a bloated less informative 'details' pane on the right hand side.. arrgh getting angry now!)
Pushing updates that might break Steam functionality.
Don't fix what isn't broken.
People who have any clue/common sense about pc's never had to much problems with security in XP or 7. It's only dumbasses who have no clue, or people who don't care who got their PC full with malware.
Compatibility is what I like about windows platform, the fact I can still fire up Age of Empires from 1997 or Commander keen from the early 90's or work with my good old Norton Commander (or well, I switched to Total commander now
). If they phase out win32, they can suck it. I only upgraded to Win 10 for dx12 and Forza, otherwise, I'd still be on 7, as 10 adds nothing else positive (well quicker boot, but I always use sleep anyhow)... Win xp > Vista (and 7) offered Superfetch and new DX, but, was otherwise, imho, also a huge waste of time. XP is still fine, my dad Still swears by Xp x64 (running on a Haswell i7 and 16gb RAM
, it flies), and why wouldn't he? The only issues are incompatibility (eg. TRIM for SSD, Driver support, software which drops win xp support).
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You hate the creator of Unreal Engine, person that has been at the forefront of videogame and technology development for decades, guy who has been working closely with Microsoft for a decade, because he dares to have the "controversial" opinion that Microsoft will, over longer time, depreciate support for Win32 in favour of UWP ? Eventhough MS did this stuff already in the past, not to mention all their other frak ups like GFWL?
Really, you hate him for that ?
By the way, MS store is by far the worst store ever made public for videogame purchasing. If MS fails at enforcing UWP, it will be out of sheer incompetence, but not for the lack of trying.
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No, According to sweeney microsoft are already doing it. Question stands: How is Microsoft breaking steam? Pushing updates isn't the answer - that's just the [supposed] delivery method - how are they breaking steam and where is the proof? What updates? Article is predictably short on references.
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His main complaint is that they can use the UWP to force phase out Win32 and in doing so take a lot more control over what 3rd party developers can and can't do with a program that is running on Windows which means that theoretically they could work against steam not necessarily in directly breaking things but to gain a competitive advantage.
Given the ham fisted mess they've made of UWP so far though I doubt he has much to worry about - MS will probably end up either ditching the whole thing or having consumers up in arms en mass before it gets that far.
Pushing updates that might break Steam functionality.
Don't fix what isn't broken.
People who have any clue/common sense about pc's never had to much problems with security in XP or 7. It's only dumbasses who have no clue, or people who don't care who got their PC full with malware.
Compatibility is what I like about windows platform, the fact I can still fire up Age of Empires from 1997 or Commander keen from the early 90's or work with my good old Norton Commander (or well, I switched to Total commander now
Win xp > Vista (and 7) offered Superfetch and new DX, but, was otherwise, imho, also a huge waste of time.
I'm not sure if you're serious or not.
I'm currently rolling out Win 10 to our user base via SCCM and for the most part, it's actually faster and better performing than 7/8/8.1 by a long shot?
If you had the attitude of 'don't fix what isn't broken' towards OS's as a company, you'd never make any money! Windows 10 as an overall, is a good step.
The problem is being get hellbent on the most trivial of issues... Don't like one drive, remove it then? Don't like the xbox app, remove it? "OHHHHH, but I can't simply remove it with a single click!". No **** sherlock, it's their only leading crap they can safely add onto the OS. "But I don't want to tinker in registry blah blah"... Hold on, wasn't it a problem 5 seconds ago that you couldn't be more 'tinkery' with the OS?
Honestly, people who cry about upgrading to Windows 10, or any upgrade for that matter are absolutely stupid in my opinion. As a techie, why on earth you want to sit on an older system is beyond me.
People like Sweeney are the type of guy at the pub to say leaving your phone with location services turned on is a way for our government to spy on us. Absolute tosh. It's just tin foil hat the lot of it.
Hopefully MS gets rid of 7/8 as soon as possible, it was nice whilst it lasted. But grow up and move on.
You realise you have just said the vast majority of PC users are dumbarses... Not everybody can be an O/S wizard and why should they be. It's that sort of complacency that causes security issues to propagate.
I don't see how Steam can be compromised by Microsoft. Whilst we know MS have an infuriating ability to **** up just about any working application. I was in an industry that moved to NT from Unix, had 10 years of pain, especially me and the company I worked for, that then back to Unix. If MS wanted to kill steam they would have done it years ago however it is not in their interest to do so. Windows store will never replace steam and as it stands thousands of Indy game producers rely on steam to release games to a wide audience...
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No it's not, applications load/run exactly the same, superfetch is unimproved (it actually had to re-learn for almost a week and ran absolute rubbish just after install compared to 7 for me, took more than a week till it used my 32gb of RAM to cache what I used most for faster loading), i/o OPS aren't handled faster at all, you get a forced Realtime AV whereas in Win7 you could easily run no A/V for performance (Possible in Win10 too, but it's harder to do). Framerates in games are the same. Copying files is the same. Rendering webpages is the same. Responsiveness is the same. There are still superior indexing apps out there (I use ''Search Everything'' instead of windows search, which is way slower). etc...
I can understand MS's point of view, it's not the same as mine though. I'd prefer a good don't fix what isn't broken approach + SaaS model.
I want more done with less clicks, not less done with more clicks.
**** safety, you have to be stupid to get your pc infected. After I upgraded to win 10, obviously defender was stuck on, it found nothing but some whinging about keygens or cracks (eg. KDM), hacktools, WIFI crackers and some PCAP files with exploits I had to use for uni with Snort and Wireshark), after years of not running a realtime A/V.
It's a nanny state story (with MS being the nanny now), I don't need someone else to decide what's good for me or not. Comparable with speed limits in cars or such.
I'm actually sick of using windows for some things and instead use Kali in a VM.
That is your opinion, I disagree. I think people who blindly upgrade are stupid, they are giving up their privacy for MS for no reason at all. There's a whole topic on Reddit how to block all the data mining crap MS uses windows for and redirecting any requests to a non existent server with the hosts file.
I'm a statistics junkie so keep location services on for my own use.
But otherwise I agree with him, I don't want big companies to analyze my data, or the government/intelligence services for that matter.
Disagree. I have a ''service at home'' service I do for mostly elders, but abotu 40-50 peopel I visit once per few months for help with their pc. Most of them hate 10 and want to go back to 7, and I won't stop them.
Customer/End-User is king. Windows 7 is fine, and there is 0 reason to upgrade except dx12, bootup time, and the things MS makes Win10 store only. They prefer to pay me once in a while for maintenance or potential cleanup, than the hassle of using 10.
As for 8, I agree, kill that rubbish. I tried it on my lappy for nearly a year, and went back to 7 (Hold your horses been using Win 10 now for ages on lappy, I immediately tried out 10 when it was released).
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Wow... You talk about people growing up while lacking the maturity to see that people have a wide range of needs and different approaches to how they use the OS and Windows 10 simply doesn't cater as well for some people as apparently it does for you. Calling people stupid in this context is pretty immature.
I don't have a problem with UWP at all. We've seen from the success of Apple/Google that consumers want a curated experience that maintains itself (unified update system etc) and a guarantee of sorts that anything you download from the official store isn't going to trash your machine.
Don't see a problem, even if running apps from outside that Store requires an opt-in, same as Android, as long as the choice is there.
Don't see a problem, even if running apps from outside that Store requires an opt-in, same as Android, as long as the choice is there.