Brexit thread - what happens next

[Skunkworks]

Jingoistic claptrap.

Everything you say is impotant left claptrap.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I suspect many of the people who died for our democracy (and sovereignty) would be turning in their graves at some of the comments in this thread.

I know, imagine if they knew that people were using their efforts and eventual death to guilt people and push your agenda, as if the credit for their contribution is your own.

 

[Darujhistan]

Only if the terrorist attacks continue for years.

Which they will do. We're at war and have been for years, where have you been?

 

[dalehitchy1]

Reading the daily mail comments are depressing

Apparently a massive drop in the value of the £ and a big recession was coming whether we left the EU or not.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Everything you say is impotant left claptrap.

Definitely left of a lot of people on this forum, but that could still put me as a Left Tory

 

[datalol-jack]

Reading the daily mail comments are depressing

Apparently a massive drop in the value of the £ and a big recession was coming whether we left the EU or not.

Hatchet jobs delivering consistency, integrity and objective facts? I never! Shame everyone from the Chancellor of the Exchequer down, through BoE, to relevant Whitehall departments disagree.

There's much work to be done and risks aplenty, with real damage unavoidable and potentially irreparable. Only unicorn-men riding black swans beg to differ; amazingly they invariably end up deferring to DM and co, or are found in their comments sections frothing with their newly acquired sovereign zeal!

 

[Caged]

Problem is this time the businesses had been told they were getting it and it was all approved but now everything is on hold.

Sucks if you were one of those businesses though.

That but also the fact that the situation we're in now is exactly the right time for funding infrastructure or new business ideas. Despite all the rhetoric about this presenting opportunities etc. etc. I can only really see more austerity and corporate tax cuts as a way of buying good news.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Which they will do. We're at war and have been for years, where have you been?

We're at war

Really? The good old overuse of the word war. We are not at war, there is a small number of people waging a campaign against those they do not agree. Of course part of the blame for this is our own Govts actions but lets not talk about that, just brush it under the carpet.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Hatchet jobs delivering consistency, integrity and objective facts? I never! Shame everyone from the Chancellor of the Exchequer down, through BoE, to relevant Whitehall departments disagree.

Ah, but they are experts so can be ignored. Right.

There's much work to be done and risks aplenty, with real damage unavoidable and potentially irreparable.

Do we have the calibre of people in Govt to avoid the worse or will some see it as an excuse to push their agenda.

Only unicorn-men riding black swans beg to differ; amazingly they invariably end up deferring to DM and co, or are found in their comments sections frothing with their newly acquired sovereign zeal!

 

[datalol-jack]

Definitely left of a lot of people on this forum, but that could still put me as a Left Tory

This Pokemon is normally found around larger blocks of text and one or more grown men trying to have a conservation. Being a burrower, his invisible mode is his main defence and ambush is his primary mode of attack. Evolution potential is almost zero but good enough to mix up the deck for a few laughs.

If you can get more than a line out of him, you must be a right Trot. Heavens forfend you also snatch at his tinfoil, he might go multisyllabic on your hide, with references to exceptionally reliable sources, plain ol' common sense, uncle Nige and 'aha, you'll see', winking manically and slaughtering irony like a Rhyl butcher on cheap crack throughout!

Ah, but they are experts so can be ignored. Right.

We're tired of being told what to do by experts, we 'won' and Brexit's Brexit. Now please fix the country before afternoon's cricket, cheerio, do-dooo, pip-pip! Go team GB (without Scotland, London, the Government or NI being fully on board)! Shame about the stormy economic weather, but what's one more English summer, eh, eh?

Do we have the calibre of people in Govt to avoid the worse or will some see it as an excuse to push their agenda.

We have both... in insufficient numbers, who'll spend nearly as much time training up and building up our inexperienced negotiating capacity as doing the actual job of Brexit and running the nation. Splendid! Turn off the telly now -- it's all doom and gloom; now YouTube's RT live feed, that's the real business!

Sigh, it never ends. Looking forward to May selling her plan to the nation.

 

[Billies Bangers]

A more accurate way of putting it would be to obey the result of democracy or the people may rise up and cause trouble. The reason democracy works is becuase even if people don't get their way, they feel like they had a fair say. This is why the 2nd ref, or ignore the ref stuff would be far more damaging than anything Brexit could possibly do.

So why did we have a second referendum then? I mean we had a referendum in 1974 so why have we had a second now when the first one confirmed our intentions?

I watched a documentary well over a year ago now when a couple of Tory eurosceptics being interviewed openly admitted that anything less than a thumping majority for remaining in the EU would still see more campaigning to leave.

Given the very slim majority for leaving then surely the remainers have justification for a similar campaign or can this only apply to one side?

 

[datalol-jack]

So why did we have a second referendum then? I mean we had a referendum in 1974 so why have we had a second now when the first one confirmed our intentions?

I watched a documentary well over a year ago now when a couple of Tory eurosceptics being interviewed openly admitted that anything less than a thumping majority for remaining in the EU would still see more campaigning to leave.

Given the very slim majority for leaving then surely the remainers have justification for a similar campaign or can this only apply to one side?

In their very skewed version of democracy, Leave would agitate almost immediately upon defeat... for years, while Remain needs to wait quietly 40 years to lodge their complaints. Thankfully they aren't our parliamentary democracy, the Government or civil service.

In the first instance, I'd recommend people to lobby their MP if they are unhappy about the post-Brexit situation or progress before either is a problem.

 

[Darujhistan]

Really? The good old overuse of the word war. We are not at war, there is a small number of people waging a campaign against those they do not agree. Of course part of the blame for this is our own Govts actions but lets not talk about that, just brush it under the carpet.

Let's pretend we're not at war and everything is wonderful and it's just a few nasty people who disagree with us - the pesky little blighters! not an ideology that hates everything we stand for and is bent on destroying our way of life.

Let's just brush that under the carpet shall we?

 

[Mr Jack]

Let's pretend we're not at war and everything is wonderful and it's just a few nasty people who disagree with us - the pesky little blighters! not an ideology that hates everything we stand for and is bent on destroying our way of life.

Let's just brush that under the carpet shall we?

Your dichotomy is false.

 

[scorza]

Really? The good old overuse of the word war. We are not at war, there is a small number of people waging a campaign against those they do not agree. Of course part of the blame for this is our own Govts actions but lets not talk about that, just brush it under the carpet.

Francois Hollande today; "We are confronted with a group, Daesh, which has declared war on us. We have to wage war by every means."

Your dichotomy is false.

Hashtags and Teddy Bears will sort this mess out right?

 

[Faustus]

Exactly. If a magic Brexit deal can be achieved that most people are actually happy with then fair enough. However, if the government can't get a deal that is better/good/acceptable than our current arrangements, should they really plough on regardless? It's all very well to say "We won, we're leaving" but surely not if that means a recession and falling standard of living, closure of your local industry/hospital/school or whatever, benefit cuts, less money to maintain the roads etc. (#project fear/reality).

Exactly - this reminds me very much of the BT Openreach argument. For years politicians and BT's rivals have argued for Openreach to be split away from BT in order to make it more competitive. Indeed it was thought that would be the announcement made today by Ofcom.

However, that is not to be the case - instead Ofcom has opted to keep Openreach as a separate company within BT - why? Well just like Britain and the EU, splitting them would be hugely complicated and very very costly and could also damage BT which would be in the interests of no one.

I fully expect we will be told in the fullness of time that we are no longer in the EU but in reality little will have changed. I think Britain will find they need the EU just as much if not more than the EU needs Britain.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

So why did we have a second referendum then? I mean we had a referendum in 1974 so why have we had a second now when the first one confirmed our intentions?

I watched a documentary well over a year ago now when a couple of Tory eurosceptics being interviewed openly admitted that anything less than a thumping majority for remaining in the EU would still see more campaigning to leave.

Given the very slim majority for leaving then surely the remainers have justification for a similar campaign or can this only apply to one side?

The nature of the European project has changed substantially since 1975 (Maastricht Treaty 1992, Treaty of Amsterdam 1997, Treaty of Nice 2001, and the Lisbon Treaty 2007, not to mention Schengen 1990), hence the second referendum.

Tory eurosceptics predicting a future that never came to pass... personal opinions and speculation.

Of course remainers may campaign. Go for it

 

[do_ron_ron]

This Pokemon is normally found around larger blocks of text and one or more grown men trying to have a conservation. Being a burrower, his invisible mode is his main defence and ambush is his primary mode of attack. Evolution potential is almost zero but good enough to mix up the deck for a few laughs.

If you can get more than a line out of him, you must be a right Trot. Heavens forfend you also snatch at his tinfoil, he might go multisyllabic on your hide, with references to exceptionally reliable sources, plain ol' common sense, uncle Nige and 'aha, you'll see', winking manically and slaughtering irony like a Rhyl butcher on cheap crack throughout!

Sigh, it never ends. Looking forward to May selling her plan to the nation.

Looking forward to any plan.

 

[Darujhistan]

Your dichotomy is false.

How so?

 

[Mr Badger]

Reading the daily mail comments are depressing

Quoted for understatement.

Take a look at the front page of today's Daily Express http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper

"98% SAY NO TO EU DEAL"

Words fail me...