Brexit thread - what happens next

[The IPB]

It will definitely be much bigger out of the EU, we are still paying in but not receiving any money back atm, investing is on hold, the housing building program has stopped since the election,etc, etc

This is going to be the biggest, deepest recession we have ever had I am afraid.

What are this weekends lotto numbers

 

[do_ron_ron]

So an attempted annexation of sovereign territory isn't a war then?

Ok.

After one of UK's diplomats saying the UK had no interest in the Falklands, was trying to negotiate a lease-back arrangement with Argentina(Lord Carrington), was pushing the Falklanders who were using Argentina for various purposes including medical to closer links. The eventual purpose was to get shot of them as this was the Govt. policy on overseas territories at the time. Thatcher was unpopular and despite the fact that the UK had done nothing when Thule islands had been occupied

David Owen, James Callaghan's Foreign Secretary, feared that revelations about what he accepted was a "violation of British sovereignty" on Southern Thule would derail talks between the two countries about the future control of the Falklands themselves.


In diplomatic language, he described the prospect of the islanders finding out about a large Argentine base on British territory to the south of them as a "complicating factor".


Mr Owen, now Lord Owen, made clear to his Argentine counterpart, Oscar Montes, in February 1978 that Britain wished to keep the base secret lest it become an "obstacle" to resolving the long-running dispute over sovereignty.

decided to send forces down to reoccupy the island. This had more to do with political survival(immediately called a Khaki election) that real care about the Falklands. Reminds me of Cameron and the Referendum.

Minor police action.

 

[Billies Bangers]

What an utterly stupid and desperate question.

No it wasn't it was in answer to your question that said there shouldn't be a second referendum - The question posed then was why had we had one?

I think you will find I am right and you are completely wrong as per usual.

 

[Darujhistan]

After one of UK's diplomats saying the UK had no interest in the Falklands, was trying to negotiate a lease-back arrangement with Argentina(Lord Carrington), was pushing the Falklanders who were using Argentina for various purposes including medical to closer links. The eventual purpose was to get shot of them as this was the Govt. policy on overseas territories at the time. Thatcher was unpopular and despite the fact that the UK had done nothing when Thule islands had been occupied




decided to send forces down to reoccupy the island. This had more to do with political survival(immediately called a Khaki election) that real care about the Falklands. Reminds me of Cameron and the Referendum.

Minor police action.

What utter twaddle. I see you've conveniently left out Galtieri's military junta provoking the war to deflect attention away from their chronic economic problems, which led to the invasion, the war and the defeat of Argentina and the liberation of your fellow citizens from occupation.

 

[Greebo]

What are this weekends lotto numbers

Hey I can only go on personal knowledge. The Uk's biggest house builder as not dug a new foundation hole to start a new house for 7 weeks now.

Already we made 4 people redundant last week, more will have to go soon. By end of august we will have made two thirds of our staff redundant.

These people cant get building jobs elsewhere as they arent any, so they will do will do whatever jobs they can to survice but will earn less and spend less.

We will go from paying massive amount of corporation tax to paying nothing or even getting refunds.

the £1.5m of tax and nI deducted from our employees will reduce to a third of that.

Then revenues to the government drop off a cliff and there is no money to spend etc.

Ive been through recessions before but never has one started so quickly that within 2 months we might have only a third of our workforce.

so Im prepared for this to be the biggest one yet.

 

[Skunkworks]

No it wasn't it was in answer to your question that said there shouldn't be a second referendum - The question posed then was why had we had one?

I think you will find I am right and you are completely wrong as per usual.

Just to clarify, you think a 2nd ref after 40 years when the EU has morphed into something unrecognisable from what we first voted to join is the same as a 2nd ref after 40 days because you don’t happen to like the result?

 

[Darujhistan]

Laughable stuff from the remainers.

 

[Greebo]

Laughable stuff from the remainers.

You talking about me? I can only say what I am seeing. Perhaps all the smaller construction companies aren't affected and its only the UK's biggest house builder who has stopped building houses????

 

[Skunkworks]

I'm guessing he's talking about the weapon's grade stupid I quoted a few posts up.

 

[joeyjojo]

You talking about me? I can only say what I am seeing. Perhaps all the smaller construction companies aren't affected and its only the UK's biggest house builder who has stopped building houses????

We'll know when Markit release construction data in August I suppose.

It's expected to be even worse than the CIPS and CBI reports published in the last few days though. See this from yesterday's FT

UK manufacturing gloom deepens
CBI survey shows optimism falling on output, orders and jobs

Manufacturing growth is expected to slow over the next three months following the sharpest fall in company optimism since January 2009, according to the Confederation of British Industry.

There are now as many manufacturers expecting orders to decline over the next three months as those expecting an increase, according to the CBI’s industrial trends survey of 506 companies, conducted between June 28 and July 13. This is the weakest outlook recorded since January 2012 when economic growth began to stagnate.

The findings are consistent with the Markit/CIPS report published on Friday. This suggested the outlook for manufacturing — though weaker than before the EU referendum — was more positive than for the service sector, where optimism slumped to its lowest level since spring 2009, though remained much higher than the trough in 2008.

Neither the CBI survey nor the Markit/CIPS data covered construction, which is expected to be hardest hit by Brexit. Markit data for this sector will be published in early August, providing the first concrete indication of how the sector is faring.

 

[do_ron_ron]

What utter twaddle. I see you've conveniently left out Galtieri's military junta provoking the war to deflect attention away from their chronic economic problems, which led to the invasion, the war and the defeat of Argentina and the liberation of your fellow citizens from occupation.

UK diplomat said UK had no interest in Falklands - fact
talks on lease-back arrangement with Argentina - fact
Falklanders were using Argentina for various purposes including medical - fact
UK trying to get rid of Overseas Territories - fact
Thule islands had been occupied by Argentinians but we did nothing - fact
We removed only warship from area - fact

Also
Did not do what Labour Govt had previously done in sending down troops in similar situation - fact

All checkable not twaddle. Indeed Galtieri did decide to do a foreign distraction from countries ills and getting the message that the UK was not bothered he went ahead. Thatcher seized on it for political survival.

Reminds me of Saddam and Kuwait, US said no interest in Arab-Arab conflict then convenient excuse.

 

[Caged]

Oh have you not seen the other proposals? 10% corporation tax for new companies for the first three years and exemption from minimum wage and other protective employment laws.

I cant wait to see British people getting paid £5 an hour doing the jobs those low skilled immigrants used to do for £7.50 an hour.

It will be interesting to see how the usual suspects that position themselves as somehow the champions of common sense and the ordinary man in the street try and paint exempting small/new companies from employee rights as a good thing. I expect the usual level of consistency of argument coming out of the columnists at the Sun, Telegraph etc.

 

[dalehitchy1]

Oh have you not seen the other proposals? 10% corporation tax for new companies for the first three years and exemption from minimum wage and other protective employment laws.

I cant wait to see British people getting paid £5 an hour doing the jobs those low skilled immigrants used to do for £7.50 an hour.

But i thought immigrants suppressed wages...... Shouldn't we all be on £60 p/h now. Fruit pickers should at least be on £45 p/h

 

[dalehitchy1]

It will be interesting to see how the usual suspects that position themselves as somehow the champions of common sense and the ordinary man in the street try and paint exempting small/new companies from employee rights as a good thing. I expect the usual level of consistency of argument coming out of the columnists at the Sun, Telegraph etc.

It will be either left out of the media completely.... Or the sun / mail will report it as 'removing the red tape to make Britain great again' - then insert some words like sovereignty, working man, great..... And BAM there's your article

 

[Darujhistan]

You talking about me? I can only say what I am seeing. Perhaps all the smaller construction companies aren't affected and its only the UK's biggest house builder who has stopped building houses????

No, the guff about further referendums. I don't doubt your testimony.

 

[Darujhistan]

UK diplomat said UK had no interest in Falklands - fact
talks on lease-back arrangement with Argentina - fact
Falklanders were using Argentina for various purposes including medical - fact
UK trying to get rid of Overseas Territories - fact
Thule islands had been occupied by Argentinians but we did nothing - fact
We removed only warship from area - fact

Also
Did not do what Labour Govt had previously done in sending down troops in similar situation - fact

All checkable not twaddle. Indeed Galtieri did decide to do a foreign distraction from countries ills and getting the message that the UK was not bothered he went ahead. Thatcher seized on it for political survival.

Reminds me of Saddam and Kuwait, US said no interest in Arab-Arab conflict then convenient excuse.

It was a war, however you spin it.

 

[Darujhistan]

I'm guessing he's talking about the weapon's grade stupid I quoted a few posts up.

Yep.

 

[a1ex2001]

But i thought immigrants suppressed wages...... Shouldn't we all be on £60 p/h now. Fruit pickers should at least be on £45 p/h

Could actually prove to be the case I don't see how else for example we fill hotel/catering/retail jobs in the big cities down south I can't see The natives suddenly queuing up unless the wages go up but the the hotel/food/clothes prices have to go up and suddenly you have rampant inflation!

Maybe seasonal work permits will work for fruit pickers but what about all the other zero skill jobs that eu imigrants fill I can hardly remember the last British person I encountered working at a London hotel/coffee shop!

 

[a1ex2001]

Could actually prove to be the case I don't see how else for example we fill hotel/catering/retail jobs in the big cities down south I can't see The natives suddenly queuing up unless the wages go up but the the hotel/food/clothes prices have to go up and suddenly you have rampant inflation!

Maybe seasonal work permits will work for fruit pickers but what about all the other zero skill jobs that eu imigrants fill I can hardly remember the last British person I encountered working at a London hotel/coffee shop!

PS we are not at war, the so called war on terror is one of the biggest political mistakes in a generation it legitimises all these organisations and can never be won nice thinking America!

 

[ron3003]

But i thought immigrants suppressed wages...... Shouldn't we all be on £60 p/h now. Fruit pickers should at least be on £45 p/h

There's no hourly rate for fruit picking/veg cutting pal, it's piecework paid on results. If your good at it you can earn some good money but if you're rubbish then so is the pay. I knew loads of Brits who did it before the Eastern European criminals began flouting the rules as unlicensed gangmasters & it became a closed shop.