Punching kids on public transport
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Nah 7 years as a Prison Officer, offering people the rule if they were in for Domestic Violence against children or Sexually assaulting them.
Nonces are anyone who abuses kids or has taken the rule - like a blanket term, bacons are people who sexually assault them.
Nonces are anyone who abuses kids or has taken the rule - like a blanket term, bacons are people who sexually assault them.
Bacons?
I doubt your were a prisons officer because if so you would know what the definition of 'domestic violence' is in the UK
(hint it does not include violence against children sexual or otherwise unless their over 16)
The cross-government definition of domestic violence and abuse is: any incident or pattern of incidents of controlling, coercive, threatening behaviour, violence or abuse between those aged 16 or over who are, or have been, intimate partners or family members regardless of gender or sexuality
And up until quite recently it was over 18!
In March 2013, we introduced a change in the definition of domestic violence and abuse. It was widened to include young people aged 16 to 17 who exhibited coercive control – a pattern of controlling behaviour. The decision followed a consultation that saw respondents call overwhelmingly for this change.
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Yeah I'd lie about being a screw, because it's such a cool job
and I wouldn't have a clue about the law, I was a prison officer, my job was the lock them up, not charge and sentence them.Domestic Violence in law in different to the terminology used in Prison. You asked what the meaning on "nonces" were and I told you what the meaning was from the experiences of it.
I thought bacons were old bill ?
Outside yeah, inside no, they are referred to as something whole different. Much too colourful print on a family friendly forum anyway.
Yeah I'd lie about being a screw, because it's such a cool job
Domestic Violence in law in different to the terminology used in Prison. You asked what the meaning on "nonces" were and I told you what the meaning was from the experiences of it.
Outside yeah, inside no, they are referred to as something whole different. Much too colourful print on a family friendly forum anyway.
A screw that had 'no clue' about the law?
common law self defence?
section 3 CLA?
Prisons act?
When did a prison officer need a law degree?
Once the people are in there the law part is over surely.
When did a prison officer need a law degree?
Once the people are in there the law part is over surely.
Police officers don't need degree's (although recent joiners have needed a certificate), lay magistrates don't need degrees....
where did degrees come into it?
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Police officers are there to catch the crime so an understanding of the law is necessary.
I fail to see how its relevant to prison officers.
Your employer would be very remiss if you had no input on common law self defence as an absolute minimum. Being a PO involves all sorts of powers of force/ search etc that don't apply to regular civilians
Prison officers are expected to exercise legal powers above and beyond what a regular member of society possesses and are placed in an environment where they are very likely to need to know what the law says about use of force if they don't want to get in trouble so knowledge of some law would be helpful...
Yes inside of the prison we had the powers of a constable, outside no.
Common law and Prison Service Orders are hugely different, you can argue the toss and wiki/google link all you want. I was just saying how nonces are defined inside. You don't get trained on every possible law in the 7 week POELT training, there isn't enough time.
Sorry if the Urban Dictionary doesn't trump real world experience.
Common law and Prison Service Orders are hugely different, you can argue the toss and wiki/google link all you want. I was just saying how nonces are defined inside. You don't get trained on every possible law in the 7 week POELT training, there isn't enough time.
Sorry if the Urban Dictionary doesn't trump real world experience.
You said you had 'no clue' about the law!
Ill shut up now... thread wildly derailed and ill accept on research that the NONCE acronym may be one of those urban myth things built up after the fact.... no clear derivation appears to be found for it?
Still maintain that its almost universally used to refer to SEXUAL offenders against children though
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Ok we arguing over semantics.
I know that PSO's and law is different, the degree of it no idea. But we never used anything other than the PSO's.
We appear to be getting widly off topic.
Yes you are correct it is universally used to refer the sex offenders outside, I was just trying to say that inside it has a split meaning.
I know that PSO's and law is different, the degree of it no idea. But we never used anything other than the PSO's.
We appear to be getting widly off topic.
Yes you are correct it is universally used to refer the sex offenders outside, I was just trying to say that inside it has a split meaning.
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Yes a 'nonce' is widely accepted as being a sex offender particularly one who has offended against children. I have never heard of it being used for anything else recently.
I can't see how the 70 yr old bloke's actions would qualify him as a nonce.
I can't see how the 70 yr old bloke's actions would qualify him as a nonce.
I think you're probably giving their parents too much credit.
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That'll change if the College of Policing get their way. Degrees may become an requirement.