Russell Square stabbings: Man arrested on suspicion of murder

Hitler blamed an entire religion for his problems too.

Please provide a source showing atrocities committed by jews prior to the second world war.

Pretty sure anyone on this forum could provide some very large numbers for Islamic atrocities.

You have to grasp the difference between irrational and rational.
 
Guys, if you aren't capable of discussing the issue properly i.e. without racist remarks and/or by accusing ethnic groups or religions with prejudice then this thread is going to be locked.
 
Well eye witnesses say the man was black or dark skinned.

They also say he was in his late 20s which I beleive is wrong as he is 19.,
 
Must have been terrifying...

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just read that 1 in 4 British adults are diagnosed with mental health issues every year, that's a pretty scary thought given all the recent mental health attacks.
 
just read that 1 in 4 British adults are diagnosed with mental health issues every year, that's a pretty scary though given all the recent mental health attacks.

Why? Most of those issues won't result in violence. Mental health issues can range from anxiety, depression, all the way through to full on personality disorders.

People get time off work for stress, I bet that's included in those figures.
 
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I eagerly await the mental health bashing .

Of course mental health is a factor, the ****ing nutjob went out and stabbed people in the street! That said, seeing as how there's scant word in any media on a description for this person. I'm going to hazard a guess that they suffer from that mental illness that causes a person to grow a beard (but weirdly no 'tache) and shout something about Abdul's Snackbar before causing all manner of death and destruction.

That is probably the sort of thing Tefal was getting at, just because someone carries out an act like this doesn't necessarily mean they have mental health issues. He might have mental health issues, he might be a radical Muslim he might be both. It is perfectly possible to be a radical Muslim and carry out a terror attack and NOT have mental health issues. A deeply held belief in an ideology that advocates violence and therefore also the belief that what you're doing is 'right' and perhaps for the greater good or pleasing to Allah etc.. The USAF pilots who bombed two Japanese cities in WW2 weren't suffering from metal health issues but rather from their perspective the mass killing of civilians was the right thing to do. It can just be a question of perspective and if you're got a strong belief in some deity then that perspective can be radically different and if that belief is skewed towards a more fundamentalist, violent interpretation then violence can quite logically follow.
 
Yes I would class everyone who orchestrates mass murder, with terrorism (idealogical or otherwise) and the killing of innocents as a goal, as suffering from some form of mental illness. Without any reservation.

Well that is a rather naive view as it simply doesn't agree with the research. This incident might have a mental health aspect, not all incidents do necessarily.
 
That was a very tough decision taken during a world war with the aim of making an entire government/country surrender before countless more lives were lost, it was not terrorism. There IS a difference, however subtle the distinction may be and also taking into account depending on the angle you approach it from.

The difference there is simply perspective, for plenty of terrorists they are also fighting a war. Just because IS or the Palestinian territories under Hamas aren't recognized as states doesn't necessarily change that perspective.

Certainly in the case of a Hamas terrorist blowing him or herself up at say an IDF checkpoint is it really much different to a Japanese Kamikaze pilot in WW2?

I can certainly see that from a different perspective Shia militia in Iraq, Taliban fighters in Afghanistan and Palestinian groups in Gaza are(or were) in part made up of people simply fighting for their homeland against what they see as foreign invaders with whatever means they have at their disposal. That isn't to discount the messed up Islamic ideology they seem to subscribe to too but this whole mental health assumption for *any* terrorist is not really based in reality. Even IS is partly the result of mainstream Iraqi Sunni's being marginalized by the Shia majority... they've either acted ambivalently or even assisted IS as a result of a power struggle with the Shia dominated central government.
 
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Please provide a source showing atrocities committed by jews prior to the second world war.

Pretty sure anyone on this forum could provide some very large numbers for Islamic atrocities.

You have to grasp the difference between irrational and rational.

Errr... Why? I didn't state that Jews committed any atrocities? :confused:
 
its no surprise that there is so much misunderstanding and stigma surrounding mental health reading some responses.

Agreed. A few years ago when I had depression a no time did I want to rampage through the streets stabbing people.:rolleyes:

On the other hand a friend of mine with paranoid schizophrenia who was in and out of institutions and fine until he stopped taking his medication took the next door neighbours dog and threw sticks for it across the motorway until it got run over which then resulted in the next door neighbour stabbing him.
 
Well that is a rather naive view as it simply doesn't agree with the research. This incident might have a mental health aspect, not all incidents do necessarily.

Can you please link me to the research you are speaking of?

And lol @ naieve... I would say that is the last thing I am.

The difference there is simply perspective, for plenty of terrorists they are also fighting a war. Just because IS or the Palestinian territories under Hamas aren't recognized as states doesn't necessarily change that perspective.

Certainly in the case of a Hamas terrorist blowing him or herself up at say an IDF checkpoint is it really much different to a Japanese Kamikaze pilot in WW2?

I can certainly see that from a different perspective Shia militia in Iraq, Taliban fighters in Afghanistan and Palestinian groups in Gaza are(or were) in part made up of people simply fighting for their homeland against what they see as foreign invaders with whatever means they have at their disposal. That isn't to discount the messed up Islamic ideology they seem to subscribe to too but this whole mental health assumption for *any* terrorist is not really based in reality. Even IS is partly the result of mainstream Iraqi Sunni's being marginalized by the Shia majority... they've either acted ambivalently or even assisted IS as a result of a power struggle with the Shia dominated central government.

I already take perspectives into account, as I stated in my post. Regardless of whether ISIS believe they are fighting a just war or holy crusade, it is not the same as the world wars I and II. To directly compare them is not logical.

I still fully stand by the view that any terrorist or mass murderers willing to kill innocents in the name of an idealogy or cause has mental health issues to X degree.
 
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Agreed. A few years ago when I had depression a no time did I want to rampage through the streets stabbing people.:rolleyes:

On the other hand a friend of mine with paranoid schizophrenia who was in and out of institutions and fine until he stopped taking his medication took the next door neighbours dog and threw sticks for it across the motorway until it got run over which then resulted in the next door neighbour stabbing him.

indeed. "mental health" is a massive blanket description of a plethora of a varying degree of conditions.
 
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