Cycle Lanes: Right of Way

Minstadave · 4 Aug 2016 at 19:59

FrenchTart said:
This displays a disturbing lack of critical thinking

Kelt said:
One might almost call it a stupid, ill conceived comment.

Maybe.

Dunks said:
Especially from a doctor, the mind boggles.

Why? Take cyclists that aren't commuting and cycling as a hobby, they're choosing to use the public highway for their entertainment at the inconvenience of the dozens of motorists that encounter them. Can you pogo stick along an A road? It's a mode of transport, you'll certainly inconvenience a lot of people but it's ok if it's a mode of transport?

mattyfez · 4 Aug 2016 at 20:26

Some people go on drives for fun, should recreational driving be banned? Driving to the sea side for fish and chips would therefore be banned.

Cycles are classed as carridges, im not sure the definition of a carridge would stretch to a pogo stick, I'll have to look up the definition of carridge lol!

sneakysnail · 4 Aug 2016 at 20:28

mattyfez said:
Are you sure cyclists aren't just being scapegoats in this particular case? it's only a short stretch and if it's seeing enough volume of traffic that one or two can cause 100 car tailbacks, it would suggest a general infrastructure issue.

40-50 vehicle tails (100 people including those on buses maybe) and yes it's an infrastructure issue. It would be lovely for it to be a dual carriage way and have bus/cycle lanes but lets be realistic here it's the countryside and it's all farmland that no one wants to sell and no one wants a horrible main road going near anything so it is what it is. it works fine enough though just not when you introduce a slow moving obstacle that can't be overtaken because of the heavy flow of traffic in both directions

Minstadave · 4 Aug 2016 at 20:36

mattyfez said:
Some people go on drives for fun, should recreational driving be banned? Driving to the sea side for fish and chips would therefore be banned.

Cycles are classed as carridges, im not sure the definition of a carridge would stretch to a pogo stick, I'll have to look up the definition of carridge lol!

I've no idea what a carriage is defined as either however a car or motorbike driven for fun doesn't disrupt traffic like a cyclist does.

mattyfez · 4 Aug 2016 at 20:59

Minstadave said:
I've no idea what a carriage is defined as either however a car or motorbike driven for fun doesn't disrupt traffic like a cyclist does.

Pretty sure cars are capable of causing disruption on a monumental scale, case studies, M25, M1, M62, you can't blame dorris cycling to the next village for a loaf of bread and a bottle of sherry (just the one) on that lol!

Nexus · 4 Aug 2016 at 21:03

Minstadave said:
I've no idea what a carriage is defined as either however a car or motorbike driven for fun doesn't disrupt traffic like a cyclist does.

I'm not sure I can agree with you that Cyclists hold up traffic.

The majority of the time, cyclists are going to be courteous and a faster vehicle will have room to pass. The same can't be said for things like Tractors, Caravans and Horses.

If there isn't room to pass a cyclist, say like on narrow, winding country lanes with blind bends, then it's clearly not safe to be overtaking any vehicle.

mattyfez · 4 Aug 2016 at 21:15

Nexus said:
I'm not sure I can agree with you that Cyclists hold up traffic.

The majority of the time, cyclists are going to be courteous and a faster vehicle will have room to pass. The same can't be said for things like Tractors, Caravans and Horses.

If there isn't room to pass a cyclist, say like on narrow, winding country lanes with blind bends, then it's clearly not safe to be overtaking any vehicle.

Cycles are traffic, just as cars and horses and busses are.

Nexus · 4 Aug 2016 at 21:19

mattyfez said:
Cycles are traffic, just as cars and horses and busses are.

You're being obtuse, you know what I mean't.

Infidelus · 4 Aug 2016 at 21:53

neil_g said:
in before cyclists should pay road tax.

There is no such thing as road tax. It's called Vehicle Excise Duty and it's a tax on the emissions your vehicle produces. As bicycles produce no emissions (the owner might, but the bike doesn't), they are exempt, much like electric cars.

Minstadave said:
Why? Take cyclists that aren't commuting and cycling as a hobby, they're choosing to use the public highway for their entertainment at the inconvenience of the dozens of motorists that encounter them. Can you pogo stick along an A road? It's a mode of transport, you'll certainly inconvenience a lot of people but it's ok if it's a mode of transport?

Cyclists have just as much right as drivers to be on the road, whether they're cycling for fun or commuting.

Cyclists hogging the road by riding two abreast on the other hand should be run over at the earliest opportunity (extra points awarded for style), in much the same way as cyclists that ride on the road when there's a perfectly good cycle path right next to them

mattyfez · 4 Aug 2016 at 21:55

Nexus said:
You're being obtuse, you know what I mean't.

Sorry, I didn't mean it to come across that way, I just think it's important cyclists are recognised as legitimate road users, and not just people who get in the way of cars for the fun of it.

Greebo · 4 Aug 2016 at 22:03

Minstadave said:
I've no idea what a carriage is defined as either however a car or motorbike driven for fun doesn't disrupt traffic like a cyclist does.

Apparently unicycles aren't carriages so aren't subject to cycling rules and you can ride along pavements With them

SexyGreyFox · 4 Aug 2016 at 22:49

Infidelus said:
There is no such thing as road tax.

He already knew

Amp34 · 4 Aug 2016 at 23:12

Greebo said:
Apparently unicycles aren't carriages so aren't subject to cycling rules and you can ride along pavements With them

What about a bicycle with only one wheel on the ground?

Could I get away with cycling on the pavement if I take the front wheel off and wheelie everywhere?

Greebo · 4 Aug 2016 at 23:58

Amp34 said:
What about a bicycle with only one wheel on the ground?

Could I get away with cycling on the pavement if I take the front wheel off and wheelie everywhere?

Nice try but a cycle is defined as having two wheels. Doesn't matter if only one touches the pavement

PermaBanned · 5 Aug 2016 at 00:05

Greebo said:
Nice try but a cycle is defined as having two wheels. Doesn't matter if only one touches the pavement

Well then technically bikes have four if you count the jockey wheels.

Tefal · 5 Aug 2016 at 00:16

mattyfez said:
Some people go on drives for fun, should recreational driving be banned? Driving to the sea side for fish and chips would therefore be banned.

Cycles are classed as carridges, im not sure the definition of a carridge would stretch to a pogo stick, I'll have to look up the definition of carridge lol!

But the recreational deivers are not holding up traffic.

Out of curiosity what is the limit for acceptable modes of transport.

Ive seen those bikes that are like eliptical maxhines instead of pedals.

Or the sit/lie down bikes, scooters, long boards, elecrric skate boards?

Tefal · 5 Aug 2016 at 00:17

Greebo said:
Nice try but a cycle is defined as having two wheels. Doesn't matter if only one touches the pavement

Unicycle?

Conscript · 5 Aug 2016 at 00:40

Minstadave said:
I've no idea what a carriage is defined as either however a car or motorbike driven for fun doesn't disrupt traffic like a cyclist does.

I think the problem here is that you are trying to distinguish between "cyclists" and "traffic". I'm guessing your definition of "traffic" is basically "vehicles which don't hold me up".

Which is kind of the wrong way to look at it. Cars, bikes, horses, tractors, pedestrians...They are all "traffic" and they all have as much right to use the road in accordance with the Highway Code, for any purpose. If you aren't willing to accept this fundamental basis on which the road network operates, then frankly, you are the only one who shouldn't be on the road.

Do you begrudge hikers walking on the road on narrow country lanes? They will cause just as much disruption, and might be walking for "fun" after all?

RoboCod · 5 Aug 2016 at 00:51

Has anyone pointed out yet that "right of way" does not actually exist in the highway code? The correct term is "priority" and the subject that is most vulnerable takes priority (pedestrian > cyclist > car, etc).

Oh, I've just taken delivery of my first bike in years too. Can't wait to get out on them roads for some recreational hobby fun times

SexyGreyFox · 5 Aug 2016 at 09:37

RoboCod said:
Has anyone pointed out yet that "right of way" does not actually exist in the highway code?

[TW]Fox has let us down, I think I used the word priority somewhere above remembering his last post on it.

Anyway, I'm trying to decide which is worse on OCUK:
Muslims or Cyclists?