Brexit thread - what happens next

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Thompson_NCL said:
If things are abysmal in five to ten years, I'll perhaps review my choice, but until then I couldn't give a hoop.
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I can't believe you're even saying that. You're willing to put up with 5-10 years of misery and for what exactly? What happens at the end of it apart from the fact that in political and economic terms the once UK will be nothing more than a festering rock.

Apparently, martyrdom should be added to the long list of accolades for Brexiters.
 
scorza said:
Interesting point of view but I can't help but feel that if the people had been asked if they wanted uncontrolled immigration and multi-culturalism, before it was imposed on them via the back door, then I feel there would be less hatred of minorities in this country now. Bottom line is that people who live in this country are the best people to decide what happens in it - not a narrow subset of elites.
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Potential straw man alert ... Ethnic minorities would be largely from non eu countries and are subject to immigration controls. They may or may not be effective but this is not related to the EU.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
I used to work in supply chain of construction (well I was FD but the business operated in the supply chain) and can tell your for sure that plenty of construction based businesses are hyper sensitive to changes.
Add in the fact that cashflow is the number one problem for a significant number of small businesses and some of the most unstable businesses you can get are small construction guys.
If they are groundwork firms that can literally be living hand to mouth on work coming in as they will be subcontracted job by job at relatively short notice. They are normally first on site (post surveys) so often very quickly after full planning is granted.
Plenty of businesses trade whilst technically insolvent (large and small), can do for many years its cashflow that kills them, often not even caused by themselves, but for example a contractor or customer going bast can tip them over the edge.
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Yep Ive worked in construction and I believe you might be correct on the cashflow.
But Im not sure I blame the vote for them closing, volatility knocked them out of the game but the business was insecure to begin with seems like. Leaving EU is a big deal, its creating a lot of waves now and in future but this doesnt make it a bad thing.
In 1990 Tokyo had land 4 times the cost of London and in 2016 we now have land 4x the cost of Tokyo. EU is a side issue, there is a question of if the housing boom is sustainable anyway and how much is due to various loose money initiatives. Its not just UK, China had this issue also with skyscrapers with no windows ever installed, never actually used but just traded like casino chips for increasingly higher prices.
Very obviously the utility to society of such market speculation is near zero when it becomes the norm; the chances of such markets crashing and that actually being a valid correction is increasingly high

My main reasoning for leaving EU is that I believe the EU will leave us. Either in its own failure or EU just wont be compatible with a successful UK such as the 2015 court case where London was being banned from Euro deals.
I think our departure from EU sooner or later was inevitable, that isnt clear now and most dont believe it. I think it will become more obvious in time that leaving isnt a cause of all ills and EU is going through problems anyway with or without us. Their ECB policy is awful, their dealings with Greece are a failure and not just for that population but without correction if repeated it bodes badly for all of us.
Theres more then a few places EU is not right, hopefully they fix their mistakes but I think they wont. UK should be better adjusted in time, which justifies the turbulence of leaving
 
scorza said:
I believe that in Switzerland any registered voter can start a petition for a referendum on any law they don't like - if they get 50,000 signatures in 100 days then a referendum is held. A similar proportion of the population in the UK would be ~400,000 signatures.
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It's working really well for Switzerland at the moment...:p

http://www.politico.eu/article/swiss-could-become-brexits-latest-casualty-european-union-migration/

Don't follow through on a legally binding referendum or cut a fair amount of ties with the EU to force it through...
 
Amp34 said:
It's working really well for Switzerland at the moment...:p

http://www.politico.eu/article/swiss-could-become-brexits-latest-casualty-european-union-migration/

Don't follow through on a legally binding referendum or cut a fair amount of ties with the EU to force it through...
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i dunno EU is now facing issues with two nations with immigration/free movement being the seemingly main problem.

if this carries on the eu may decide to ditch the imigration issue in favour off cohession.
 
pooley said:
you don't consider yourself as sovereign?
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An individual cannot be sovereign. Sovereignty is a concept that applies purely to governments / countries - the ability of a government or state to self-govern without interference from outside entities (be they national or pan-national).

Individuals have never had personal sovereignty or self-determination. Certainly not in the past and still not today. It's almost totally impossible to live free of the restrictions enforced by the country you live in and beyond. Simply put, we might all like to think we're free to do what we want, but of course we're not. So there's no such thing as personal sovereignty and likely never will be.

Even outside of the EU, free of Brussels, the UK will still not be truly sovereign because of needing to agree to certain international laws and agreements made by bodies such as the UN, European Court of Human Rights (which is not the same as the EU) etc.
 
Tefal said:
i dunno EU is now facing issues with two nations with immigration/free movement being the seemingly main problem.

if this carries on the eu may decide to ditch the imigration issue in favour off cohession.
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Maybe, but then it's kind of an integral pillar to the whole system.

Alternatively it means, as mentioned in the link, that quarter is given to one then it will most likely be given to the other.

It's an interesting situation though. It will be interesting to see if the EU budge on this issue with the Swiss as it could very well give a good example to us of how far they are willing to move.

Still leaves the swiss government between a rock and a hard place because of a referendum though. I guess at least ours wasn't legally binding.:p
 
Amp34 said:
Maybe, but then it's kind of an integral pillar to the whole system.
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not really.

it's a fairly minor issue in the grand scheme of things.


it was a great idea when it was similar countries but absorbing vastly different countries made it an issue.

perhaps a rule change to "entitled to benefits equivalent to their home country" would be a fix.

although that could lead to brits heading to Poland to live like kings without working
 
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