Suicide Squad (2016)

I really enjoyed it, but I also really enjoyed the extended cut of BvS.

The pace felt off, feels like they shouldn't have recut. But I did like the humour.

Will Smith, as always, excellent.
 
Was going to the cinema to watch this but the variation in reviews has well and truly put me off.

Not a major issue given the ridiculous number of comic book movies coming out there is always the next one.
 
JBod said:
I really enjoyed it, but I also really enjoyed the extended cut of BvS.

The pace felt off, feels like they shouldn't have recut. But I did like the humour.

Will Smith, as always, excellent.
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Excellent? Really?

Will Smith was being Will Smith in a new costume.

Margot was the only thing close to positive in this, everyone else was average at best, the joker was a joke.
 
I've been roped into seeing this tonight. Due to train strike in South it's going to be a logistical mission for me to get home and I got 3 hours to kill between finishing work and start of screening to boot.

Just hope I don't rage at how bad it is after this level of inconvenience. Fed up with cinemas on good days so this feels like going out of my way big time. Is there any hope I could enjoy it? I didn't mind BVS but hated Man of Steel.
 
The "half in the bag" review on YouTube pretty much nails it, the movie just feels cobbled together like a load of the flashbacks were originally intended to be "real time" within the movie but then for some reason they got swapped around. They also questioned wtf Harley Quinn was going to do against a superhuman alien like Zod, she really was just shoehorned into the story for T&A and nothing more.
 
Curunen said:
A shame if that's true - a film should find it's own identity rather than trying to copy other successes, especially Deadpool which is totally different thematically compared to this and the entire DC stuff which on the whole is darker/more gritty.
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David Ayer is the perfect director for this movie, End of Watch, Training Day, he is a director who knows how to tread the line to have a bad guy as the main protagonist. With Fury he knows how to juggle an ensemble cast and he knows how to do gritty and real. For a movie to use a bunch of bad guys as the main group of characters and want you to root for them, David Ayer is the man for the job.

Which I think it was where this movie was headed from the original 1st trailer.


Just look at the colour palette, like the logo "twist/tick" at the start, it was with a black background, no laughter played over the top. Listen to the music, it is much more atmospheric. Everything was much darker.

Then Deadpool happened, made a billion bucks.

And then the Final trailer.


Look at all those bright colours, Bohemian Rhapsody and the up beat feel. It has done a full 180 degrees in tone.

The movie feels like the producers has put his foot down and overruled David Ayer's original intended movie.
 
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Tummy said:
Excellent? Really?

Will Smith was being Will Smith in a new costume.

Margot was the only thing close to positive in this, everyone else was average at best, the joker was a joke.
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Yeah, he put in a good turn.

Joker was excellent, unpredictable psychopath. Totally devoted to a single goal with out a single concern to the consequences.

I never really rated the Heathrow Ledger Joker too much.

But let's keep that anti hype train choo chooing!
 
JBod said:
Yeah, he put in a good turn.

Joker was excellent, unpredictable psychopath. Totally devoted to a single goal with out a single concern to the consequences.

I never really rated the Heathrow Ledger Joker too much.

But let's keep that anti hype train choo chooing!
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I thought all the bling on his character put me off a bit, he went from being a psychopath into an angry mobster.

All that unbuttered shirt, opened chest look with a ton of bling is just wrong, he shouldn't be someone who needs to show off his wealth or to have those on display for status, he is the joker because he is a bit mad, in his actions, not in the way he is dressed.
 
Leto's Joker is not the Joker.

The Joker is chaos. This Joker is a poorly developed status driven, self conscious, mob boss.
 
Is there an interview linking Deadpools success to this? Because frankly I dont believe it has anything to do with the changes made to Suicide Squad, well not moreso than the reception BvS garnered.

Its not like Deadpool the movie is some new take on Deadpool at all - its just a cheap 18-rated movie that did well at the Box Office

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Raymond Lin said:
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(slight spoilers?)

That first trailer makes it look as though it's going to be the Suicide Squad go up against the Joker, in a dark and gritty world where heroes just can't cut it. That's the film I want to see, not the pop music / world destroying super villains mashup where each Squad member is just a misunderstood hero deep down... It really says something when I felt that Waller was the baddest character of them all!

And if they really wanted to compete with Deadpool, why did they cut the content to make it a PG-13? (Although i'm pretty sure it's a 15 in the UK) I'm not saying more harsh language and brutal violence would have made it better, but tonally, it would have been more appropriate...
 
ps3ud0 said:
Is there an interview linking Deadpools success to this? Because frankly I dont believe it has anything to do with the changes made to Suicide Squad, well not moreso than the reception BvS garnered.
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Does there need to be an official statement to confirm it?

I think Raymond makes his point pretty well.
The reception to BvS and the success of Deadpool blatantly made execs think twice about the tone of this film. Cue reshoots and a different approach to the marketing.
Its not like Deadpool the movie is some new take on Deadpool at all - its just a cheap 18-rated movie that did well at the Box Office
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It didn't have to be a new take on Deadpool. I'm not sure what your point is tbh.
The fact that it did well at the box office is precisely what made them rethink what they were doing with Suicide Squad by adding teh funnies, if not the language.
 
Utter rubbish.

I legitimately don't see how DC keep screwing this up. Hire Paul Dini to oversee the film universe and maybe, just maybe we stop getting DC branded trainwrecks.
 
DC lack a coherent strategy and are playing catch up.

They should have appointed a singular person, whom understood the DC Universe to plan a release schedule; organise a coherent tone/atmosphere and visual theme, and to have a solid unified story arch.

Man of Steel (Snyder, 2013) was a poor film. Snyder should have never been allowed to continue with the DC Universe. A filmmaker who has a filmography stock filled with at best mediocrity, and at worst poor films with one exception.

I just, honestly, cannot comprehend the oppressively 'dark', 'gritty', and 'cheap' aesthetic that the DC Universe is going for. If they wanted to have a piece of the success (re; money) that MARVEL have enjoyed then this was the wrong decision. MARVEL have been successful because there films have a wider appeal (not to mention, superior filmmaking, writing and marketing).

The franchise feels directionless, retrospectively story building, rushed.

A new Batman film; Affleck to direct a slightly more 'comic book' film;- not the 'dark', 'realism' based style Nolan used. A Wonder Woman film (ala Captain America: The First Avenger (Johnston, 2011), and a new Superman film; then a possible Batman Vs Superman film (with Zuckerberg nowhere to been seen please), and then a Justice League film.

MARVEL films might be 'brighter' but they're not camp, they're not style over substance, they're developed, well written, coherent (visually) and driven by a clear, strategised arch.
 
Uncle Petey said:
Does there need to be an official statement to confirm it?

I think Raymond makes his point pretty well.
The reception to BvS and the success of Deadpool blatantly made execs think twice about the tone of this film. Cue reshoots and a different approach to the marketing.

It didn't have to be a new take on Deadpool. I'm not sure what your point is tbh.
The fact that it did well at the box office is precisely what made them rethink what they were doing with Suicide Squad by adding teh funnies, if not the language.
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Well yeah, because right now its been given causality rather than pure coincidence. Nothing in that final trailer seems to be Deadpool inspired, indeed remove the Queen soundtrack and it just looks as dark and gritty as the first example. Hell theres not a single comedic line in the whole trailer...

To me its just a load of confirmation bias...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Nobody said Deadpool inspired.

All that's being said is that they've lightened the tone in response to both the success of Deadpool and the generally negative reception to the dark and miserable BvS.
 
Uncle Petey said:
Nobody said Deadpool inspired.

All that's being said is that they've lightened the tone in response to both the success of Deadpool and the generally negative reception to the dark and miserable BvS.
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Thats the basis of Raymond Lins argument - the one you agreed with :confused:
Raymond Lin said:
Which I think it was where this movie was headed from the original 1st trailer.

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Just look at the colour palette, like the logo "twist/tick" at the start, it was with a black background, no laughter played over the top. Listen to the music, it is much more atmospheric. Everything was much darker.

Then Deadpool happened, made a billion bucks.

And then the Final trailer.

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Look at all those bright colours, Bohemian Rhapsody and the up beat feel. It has done a full 180 degrees in tone.

The movie feels like the producers has put his foot down and overruled David Ayer's original intended movie.
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How are you meant to interpret that?

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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