What is a fair price to pay ?
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I would say that Mr Y has the better half of the deal as he's got a very cheap taxi service. Same goes for Mr Z.
its weird but nobody i asked at work sees it this way in the slightest, but they are all Swedish after all.
None of these variables change if he drives alone or drives with 50 people in the boot.
Why is fuel cost the only running cost taken into account, OP?
As per latest available AA figures, fuel is about 60% of the totsl running costs, per mile. If fuel is 10p per mile, total running costs is about 18p. These costs fo not include buying/financig the car, insurance, etc and other standing costs incurred whether the car is used or not.
So, at those rates, 50km is about 31 miles, so at 18p, cost for that 50km per day is £5.60 approx.
If I were receiving the lift, I'd regard that as good value since it's still a saving over getting the bus, and is far more convenient to me that using public transport. Frankly, I'd pay a premium over the cost of the bus for the convenience of the car ride.
If I were the driver, I'd regard the passenger paying the cost of running for the miles he gets as "fair". I am, after all, providing him a service and saving him money. But personally, I would care if I got paid or not as I'd be doing the journey anyway. I wouldn't make an issue of costs st all.
However, once it had come ip, if I got the impression that the passenger was being tight about it, it would likely be the end of my willingness to act as a taxi whatever he paid. Being paid, even getting a contribution to costs wouldn't be on my mind, but having to negotiate a figure would depress me.
If nothing was offered, okay. If I was expecting a contribution, I'd have said so. If a decent conttibution was offered, okay. If a low-ball offer was made, I'd be offended and find a reason/excuse to stop offering the lift at all.
As per latest available AA figures, fuel is about 60% of the totsl running costs, per mile. If fuel is 10p per mile, total running costs is about 18p. These costs fo not include buying/financig the car, insurance, etc and other standing costs incurred whether the car is used or not.
So, at those rates, 50km is about 31 miles, so at 18p, cost for that 50km per day is £5.60 approx.
If I were receiving the lift, I'd regard that as good value since it's still a saving over getting the bus, and is far more convenient to me that using public transport. Frankly, I'd pay a premium over the cost of the bus for the convenience of the car ride.
If I were the driver, I'd regard the passenger paying the cost of running for the miles he gets as "fair". I am, after all, providing him a service and saving him money. But personally, I would care if I got paid or not as I'd be doing the journey anyway. I wouldn't make an issue of costs st all.
However, once it had come ip, if I got the impression that the passenger was being tight about it, it would likely be the end of my willingness to act as a taxi whatever he paid. Being paid, even getting a contribution to costs wouldn't be on my mind, but having to negotiate a figure would depress me.
If nothing was offered, okay. If I was expecting a contribution, I'd have said so. If a decent conttibution was offered, okay. If a low-ball offer was made, I'd be offended and find a reason/excuse to stop offering the lift at all.
Assuming the weight of the car is around 1.2 t, the energy expended from taking on another human (say, 0.1 t at the outside estimate) would result in an increase of 7.7%. Adding a minor detour will however include potential traffic lights, slow traffic, and idling whilst waiting, I think it's fair to assume a 10% increase in energy consumption. Dependant on the car itself, the efficiency of converting that energy consumption into physical displacement, i.e. the journey to work; could add between 12 - 18% fuel usage.
As the daily fuel usage for the distance is around £2.50, the contributiion would therefore be £0.45. On top of that, you must also consider that said driver is under no obligation what-so-ever to pick up the passengers, and therefore, the passengers should pay whatever the driver asks them too. Or get the bus.
As the daily fuel usage for the distance is around £2.50, the contributiion would therefore be £0.45. On top of that, you must also consider that said driver is under no obligation what-so-ever to pick up the passengers, and therefore, the passengers should pay whatever the driver asks them too. Or get the bus.
Lets not forgot that the driver is also responsible for your safety, also, it's already been mentioned but the car wasn't free, there's insurance, tax and servicing, the car is better, more comfortable, quicker and more entertaining. Just pay half the fuel bill, it's the least you can do.
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Mr X, Mr Y, and Mr Z? Apart from sounding like an amazing segment in Sesame Street it also sounds like an algebra equation waiting to sort the whole mess out.
Have you tried algebra, OP?
Have you tried algebra, OP?
Or a Tarantino plot.
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In the 27 years I worked at a factory I had a round 6 mates who gave me a lift over those years and I made sure they always got my bus fare money. I can't believe this question is being asked but then again it's the age of selfishness where people want something for nothing.
If the bus costs £40 a week I'd pay it all for the comfort and somebody picking me up.
If the bus costs £40 a week I'd pay it all for the comfort and somebody picking me up.
It is costing you the commitment. You are no longer a free agent free to plan your day differently on a whim.
This is hard to put a value on except as to put a value to the other parties on what it might cost them if you choose not to turn up, which is actually quite a lot.
On another note,
I have a sneaky feeling that whatever the driver receives, he should be careful not to make a "Profit" from the exercise since it might invalidate his insurance. (I am sure that Hire or reward restrictions allow for small contributions to cover just this sort of situation but I would expect making a profit to be a different thing all together)
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£2.50 per trip would do me. It's win win because they get to their destination more quickly, comfortably and cheaper and I get a perk on my fuel costs.
I give people lifts to work and accept whatever we agree but when they start quibbling over having to pay because"I'm going that way anyway" my routine suddenly changes and I'm unfortunately no longer able to take them.
This is the way I see it: if I discovered that tesco was selling bread for 20p and all the other supermarkets charged 50p, I'd buy bread from tesco. If I then found out their production costs were 10p would I feel hard done by? Of course not.
It really is that simple.
I give people lifts to work and accept whatever we agree but when they start quibbling over having to pay because"I'm going that way anyway" my routine suddenly changes and I'm unfortunately no longer able to take them.
This is the way I see it: if I discovered that tesco was selling bread for 20p and all the other supermarkets charged 50p, I'd buy bread from tesco. If I then found out their production costs were 10p would I feel hard done by? Of course not.
It really is that simple.
Does the driver pickup and drop off outside your home, is that a detour or his normal route? Does he have to wait some mornings or are you always waiting outside?
I used to give lifts to colleagues for a while. Just dropping them off after work could add an extra 30 mins to my journey if the traffic was bad. Most mornings I had to wait for them to come out. Once we arrived at work they would run in while I looked for a parking space making me the last one in and late.
When I asked them to pay for half the fuel they complained.
And the other half would complain about the mess in the car and seats adjusted etc.
Never again now.
I used to give lifts to colleagues for a while. Just dropping them off after work could add an extra 30 mins to my journey if the traffic was bad. Most mornings I had to wait for them to come out. Once we arrived at work they would run in while I looked for a parking space making me the last one in and late.
When I asked them to pay for half the fuel they complained.
And the other half would complain about the mess in the car and seats adjusted etc.
Never again now.
This, sometimes my wife would ask if I can finish 30 mins early etc. If it was just me finishing early it would be no problem, but now 2 or 3 of us need to leave early which the manager wouldn't allow.
I walk to work now but if I started commuting again I wouldn't give regular lifts no matter what. When my car has been off the road for repairs I've paid for a taxi or rented a car to get to work. When I have asked for a lift I've made my own way to/from the driver's house and always early.
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As a bare minimum I would pay 50% of what my bus fare was. The bus doesn't collect me at my door and drop me off at the door. You are not having to stand out in the rain etc. waiting on a bus.