Brexit thread - what happens next

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n111ck said:
Not surprisingly talk of special deal coming from Germany.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-idUSKCN10R1AO
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Well, what Roth gives with one hand:

"Given Britain's size, significance and its long membership of the European Union, there will probably be a special status which only bears limited comparison to that of countries that have never belonged to the European Union,"

He takes away with the other:

Asked if Britain could retain the market access while putting limits on the free movement of people, he replied: "I can't imagine that."

"The free movement of workers is a highly prized right in the European Union and we don't want to wobble on that."

So it's not such a "special" deal as Brexiters might hope.
 
Amp34 said:
In the real world...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...what-it-means-eurospectic-areas-a7165056.html
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Since the definition of "hate crime" has been changed to require neither hate nor a crime and now exists for the purpose of fabricating the desired statistics, it's hardly surprising that it can be used to fabricate the desired statistics.

I'd like to say that it's meaningless in the real world, but sadly propaganda is effective (which is why it's so widely used).
 
Cern said:
Well, what Roth gives with one hand:

"Given Britain's size, significance and its long membership of the European Union, there will probably be a special status which only bears limited comparison to that of countries that have never belonged to the European Union,"

He takes away with the other:

Asked if Britain could retain the market access while putting limits on the free movement of people, he replied: "I can't imagine that."

"The free movement of workers is a highly prized right in the European Union and we don't want to wobble on that."

So it's not such a "special" deal as Brexiters might hope.
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We could have free movement of people but limit welfare for the first few years of someone's arrival which would make perfect economic sense.

We are currently having to pay in work benefits to low earners coming here from day one which makes absolutely no economic sense what so ever.

The only reason I think that is desperately clung onto by the EU is due to them looking to speed up cultural integration and federalisation through the dilution of national identity.
 
Everyone on OCuk voted leave because of the issue of sovereignty. I'm sure over 50% of Brits would be in favour of keeping freedom of movement with the EU.
 
Tunney said:
Everyone on OCuk voted leave because of the issue of sovereignty. I'm sure over 50% of Brits would be in favour of keeping freedom of movement with the EU.
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Rubbish. Everyone I know who voted leave did not want freedom of movement. Taking our borders back if you will.

Ask them what Sovereignty means and they have not a clue. Most people don't as in my age bracket as we have lived our entire lives within the EU and still feel very British.
 
It will be a major win for the out group of the eu allow immigration control and access to the free market.

Damned if they do and damned of they don't.
If they don't they will hurt the whole block. If they do they will appear very weak to the whole block.
 
kitch9 said:
We could have free movement of people but limit welfare for the first few years of someone's arrival which would make perfect economic sense.

We are currently having to pay in work benefits to low earners coming here from day one which makes absolutely no economic sense what so ever.

The only reason I think that is desperately clung onto by the EU is due to them looking to speed up cultural integration and federalisation through the dilution of national identity.
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Thats not far off what Cameron came back with though, so thats probably achievable, just with a small increase in the UK contribution to the EU ;)
 
Tefal said:
France had stated its willing to negotiate on freedom of movemrnt with acesss to signle market
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Did they? Pretty sure Hollande said no to it. The only thing I can remember is the presidential candidate who said everything will be up for negotiation in talks. But unless he wins election his word doesn't really matter.
 
dalehitchy1 said:
Great... Just 26 countries left to persuade and then the EU itself.
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Thing is being willing to negotiate on something and being able to agree a position all parties are will to accept are not the same thing.

Eg I have been asked a few times by my current company to relocate internationally. Each time I have said yes but each time our expectation on salary have been vastly different. So we were both willing to negotiate but could not reach a position we were both willing to accept.
 
Tefal said:
France had stated its willing to negotiate on freedom of movemrnt with acesss to signle market
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Ummmm iirc a single French minister said something that was instantly pounced upon by the Daily Express with the headline "Europe begins to crack"

Followed by week after week of EU member governments stating that free movement is non negotiationable

It's a show of European unity that doesn't often get repeated.
 
:D LOL Guardian .......... again.

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8:09am: UK jobless claims expected to rise following Brexit vote – Economists polled by Reuters are expecting a 9,500 jump in claims


9:34am: A big surprise in the labour market data: the number of people claiming unemployment benefits fell by 8,600 in July, a month after the Brexit vote. No sign yet then that the Brexit vote is hurting the jobs market…
 
b0redj0rd said:
:D LOL Guardian .......... again.

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8:09am: UK jobless claims expected to rise following Brexit vote – Economists polled by Reuters are expecting a 9,500 jump in claims


9:34am: A big surprise in the labour market data: the number of people claiming unemployment benefits fell by 8,600 in July, a month after the Brexit vote. No sign yet then that the Brexit vote is hurting the jobs market…
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I'm quite surprised by that but thinking about it a little more, it would be likely that the signs will be further down the line and when article 50 is invoked. Wasn't there some data not to long ago about the amount of job postings online before and after brexit which showed a significant drop?
 
dalehitchy1 said:
I'm quite surprised by that but thinking about it a little more, it would be likely that the signs will be further down the line and when article 50 is invoked. Wasn't there some data not to long ago about the amount of job postings online before and after brexit which showed a significant drop?
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It is pretty surprising, however it is worth considering that it may well be in the next few months that job losses are more apparent. Saying that, the point is that a number of economists predicted large job losses by now and that hasn't happened so far.
 
b0redj0rd said:
It is pretty surprising, however it is worth considering that it may well be in the next few months that job losses are more apparent. Saying that, the point is that a number of economists predicted large job losses by now and that hasn't happened so far.
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Most economists predicted that if we leave the EU there will be job losses. We haven't left yet so I wouldn't say they are 100% wrong at the moment
 
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