3 Year Old Boy Dies After Dog Bite

Cern said:
Labs are bred to have a 'soft' bite, traditionally so that they can retrieve game birds without damaging them.

That's not to say labradors never bite, just that usually it's not as serious as with some other breeds as they just don't have the jaw strength. Nibbling ... well that's another matter :)
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I believe all dogs can be trained to soft bite. I have a puppy and to begin with she would take chunks out of you, but we would squeel and walk away when she did. Now she play bites with so little force, because she has been taught that human skin is soft and tender. I would leave her in the room with a new born baby and I 100% know she wouldn't do a single thing. The baby would likely drown in licks.

Dogs can't be blame for their nature or their teaching. They are willing to do what they are told if they are taught it. That is the reason they should be free from secrutiny.
 
ChroniC said:
Dogs can't be blame for their nature or their teaching. They are willing to do what they are told if they are taught it. That is the reason they should be free from secrutiny.
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And that sadly is why they can't be free from scrutiny. Again it boils down to the end results. Just because a dog mauling or killing a person was the owners fault does not diminish the fact the attack took place. We can't put down the owners, because like it or not, human life is considered more valuable than animal life. So dogs need to be treated with caution at all times and MUST be destroyed if they pose even the suggestion of danger to a human being.
 
ChroniC said:
I believe all dogs can be trained to soft bite. I have a puppy and to begin with she would take chunks out of you, but we would squeel and walk away when she did. Now she play bites with so little force, because she has been taught that human skin is soft and tender. I would leave her in the room with a new born baby and I 100% know she wouldn't do a single thing. The baby would likely drown in licks.

Dogs can't be blame for their nature or their teaching. They are willing to do what they are told if they are taught it. That is the reason they should be free from secrutiny.
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You think the dog has forgotten how to bite hard? :rolleyes:

The problem with dogs is their owners all of the time. They all think because they trust it and that they're confident in their training techniques that it's okay to let it off its chain in public projecting their trust in their animal forcibly onto other members of the public who may disagree.

I know this isn't what you were saying, but every single dog should be muzzled in public irrespective of breed.
 
Such sad news. It's really long past the time where the owners of dogs that injure or kill people need to get serious jail time.
 
Faustus said:
They grow at different rates and have different life spans. You would have to do the maths to equate the dog years to human years.

However, your analogy could be done for the human and I suspect with more dangerous consequences, especially over time. :rolleyes:
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it was your analogy, a puppy was no more dangerous than a baby. of course they grow at different rates - so lets say a 1 month old puppy and a say year old baby - can the baby jump up onto my sofa unaided can it move fast enough to snap and nip me??

and sorry, can I just ask why you needed to end your message with ':rolleyes:' did it make you feel better about yourself or you nonsense post?
 
ChroniC said:
I believe all dogs can be trained to soft bite. I have a puppy and to begin with she would take chunks out of you, but we would squeel and walk away when she did.
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I agree, my little dog knows exactly how far he can go in a play fight with me.
Months of playing and telling offs and I trust him implicitly with me.
If he ever gets too carried away all I do is say "Ouch" and he comes and licks where he has just bitten.

That being said, would I trust him to play fight with anyone else? NOPE. With me he knows his boundaries and the rules. Rules are important to dogs, they are a pack animal and require leadership.

Of course he isn't a savage beast and I hope I can count on him to never pounce on anyone or another dog but the fact of the matter is I cant trust him 100%.

As a responsible owner it is my duty to control any situation me and my dog find ourselves in. Whether that's putting him on or keeping him on a short lead or physically picking him up.

The top and bottom of it is, yes dogs are domesticated and yes they can learn basic commands and tricks but they are still dumb animals that need to be controlled at all times.
 
Kalexuz said:
You think the dog has forgotten how to bite hard? :rolleyes:

The problem with dogs is their owners all of the time. They all think because they trust it and that they're confident in their training techniques that it's okay to let it off its chain in public projecting their trust in their animal forcibly onto other members of the public who may disagree.

I know this isn't what you were saying, but every single dog should be muzzled in public irrespective of breed.
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I never said she did. I know how to kill but I don't. She understands that hard bites cause pain, and she isn't a psycho dog and thus doesn't bite hard. She wants to play for fun, not to cause harm. Once taught correctly she will play correctly.
Biting a kid for no reason is a very very rare thing, more often or not (infact most time, we all know it) the dog has been mistreated and thus has a very nervous nature, or the child has hurt the dog.

Craig1981 said:
And that sadly is why they can't be free from scrutiny. Again it boils down to the end results. Just because a dog mauling or killing a person was the owners fault does not diminish the fact the attack took place. We can't put down the owners, because like it or not, human life is considered more valuable than animal life. So dogs need to be treated with caution at all times and MUST be destroyed if they pose even the suggestion of danger to a human being.
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Do they not deserve a fair trial. If you came up to me and started hiting me, should i not punch you in the face? This happens to be a dog with teeth. Not implying this happened but it does. Not implying the childs fault but laying blame on dogs as a matter of fact because they are animals isn't fair.
In this case I blame the owner. I wouldn't leave a 3yr old near a boiling pan alone, Boiling pans don't cause problems when left alone. What's can happen when you introduce a element of risk into a situation when there is only 5% chance of it happening. 95% of the time it won't but those 5% hit the papers quicker than OJ used to hit his ex wife.
 
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Rroff said:
Sorry but that is absolute rubbish - hopefully the winky means you weren't serious.

Two of my closest friends at school ended up very violent individuals (one has just done a stint for assaulting a police officer and the other locked up forever) despite very different upbringings - one having a very good upbringing with a supportive family and the other from a broken home and less ideal formative years.
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Do your friends by any chance belong to the species Canis Lupus Familiaris?
 
jsmoke said:
More owners fault than dogs no?

Dogs are those darn tribal/animalistic creatures after all.
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You mean pack animal, answering to the pack leader, and when that leader is present and a dog is trained and respects them there usually isn't an issue.
Much as I love dogs, they are only reliable when the owner is present, and only if that owner has suitable control.
In this case that clearly didn't happen.
The woman has been arrested for failing to control. That sounds reasonable.
 
I love dogs. Much more loyal and rewarding than people.

Also think it's rarely the dog that's the problem. More someone has entered it's space, or owners didn't train it properly.
Most dogs will warn if they don't want you near them.

More powerful ones can do more damage obviously


I'd rather put down the owner if they are at fault.
You don't really get scum bag animals. But scum bag people are in plentiful supply
 
Dave M said:
I hate body odour and bad breath, I mean, really hate it - I cannot be in the same room as it.

I'd send them all to the isle of wight, people will say it's not their fault, but it doesn't make it ok. Their lives shouldn't matter, I mean, if I really really hate it, should they?
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Did you just compare people with a bit of body reek to aggressive dogs charging at a fence and dog crap all over the pavement?!
 
I would expect that one is considerably more likley to be injured or killed by another person than you are by a Dog (And I am talking about the "Rate" here rather than just absolute numbers)

Serious Dog attacks are actually really rather rare.
 
muon said:
Article suggests they had the dog for 1 week.
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I wonder if it was a rescue Dog?

I have a great deal of admiration for people who take on Dogs that have been abused and neglected in the past, but at the same time, There is always the risk of them being a loose cannon, you never know what might set them off (Just like abused people really! :( )

A rescue dog should probably never be trusted with children or strangers.
 
Thekwango said:
it was your analogy, a puppy was no more dangerous than a baby. of course they grow at different rates - so lets say a 1 month old puppy and a say year old baby - can the baby jump up onto my sofa unaided can it move fast enough to snap and nip me??

and sorry, can I just ask why you needed to end your message with ':rolleyes:' did it make you feel better about yourself or you nonsense post?
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Well given you still haven't quite grasped it perhaps I should have done two roll eyes. :p
 
This has got nothing to do with dogs specifically. Any animal from any species can accidentally kill something. It's because animals are dumb and act on instinct. The dog did not rationalise the killing of the baby. It was simply an instinctive response to a stimuli. Some animals are a bit smarter than others but even monkeys and even humans have been known to accidentally kill things.
 
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