New Philippines president...

Blackhawk47 · 20 Aug 2016 at 14:58

Raymond Lin said:
Yet most of these people are speaking in the comfort of a modern democratic society and wouldn't set foot near the borders of these countries they are so vocal about.

I would love them see them embrace it all and up sticks and move there.

I lived there for 8 years when I was a kid. I was much happier living there then here, but there is an awful lot of poverty in the Philippines.

I don't see the problem with the police cracking down on crime/drug dealers.

Avenged7Fold · 20 Aug 2016 at 16:59

Arazi said:
Who are we to say what the Philippines need or don't need? They voted him in didn't they?

As a Filipino and as someone whose family have a long history in politics over in the Philippines, I can definitely say that a guy whose go to line is 'hang them' is not what they need.

His policies are extreme and don't target the cause of a rise in crime but rather just targets criminals after they have committed crime.

Encouraging vigilante gangs to murder who they suspect is a criminal is just asking for trouble. Imagine how many families and innocent people would get the wrong end of the stick by the time he gets out of power.

What is there to stop him targeting everyone who opposes him politically next time election comes round?

Blackhawk47 said:
I don't see the problem with the police cracking down on crime/drug dealers.

Police cracking down is fine but disproportionate punishments for petty crimes and vigilante groups skipping things like fair trials is a bit much...

Arazi · 20 Aug 2016 at 17:44

Avenged7Fold said:
As a Filipino and as someone whose family have a long history in politics over in the Philippines

Go back and ask them the rest of your post, not me, i don't have a solution for their problems or their politics, that's why i said leave them to it, nothing to do with us in the west is it?

adolf hamster · 21 Aug 2016 at 00:23

Begs the question though, if the people are fed up enough to vote in this lunatic it must be pretty bad right?

You push a country to the edge for long enough stuff like this happens, when people are desparate they turn to the ones who have the answers.

Fingers crossed he gets rid of the crime but doesnt last long enough to corrupt and end up a dictatorship.

Rids · 21 Aug 2016 at 00:28

Christ, those policies are going to end up with a whole of bunch of dead innocent people.

Sega Mega Dave · 21 Aug 2016 at 01:14

He sounds like someone who would be a good laugh down the pub.

Arazi · 22 Aug 2016 at 14:38

Now he takes a swipe at the UN

"You know, United Nations, if you can say one bad thing about me, I can give you 10 [about you]. I tell you, you are an inutile. Because if you are really true to your mandate, you could have stopped all these wars and killing."

Asked about the possible consequences of his comments, he said: "What is ... repercussions? I don't give a **** to them."

He said the UN should have acted according to protocol by sending someone such as a rapporteur to talk to him.

"You do not just go out and give a sh*tting statement against a country," he said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/duterte-threatens-pull-philippines-160821063128459.html

I like the cut of this man's jib.

scorza · 22 Aug 2016 at 14:41

No to globalism. Yes to Law and Order.

datalol-jack · 22 Aug 2016 at 14:45

If he gets ousted, I'm sure Trump will be needing another campaign manager soon enough. What a loop-a-hoop of a dude!

RaohNS · 22 Aug 2016 at 14:46

If only it was a guarantee that drug dealers etc were the only ones being killed.

He is again a product of a disenfranchisement of people. I have no intention to visit, but at least he doesn't mince his words nor does he clearly give a **** about what people think about what he says

Avenged7Fold · 22 Aug 2016 at 14:52

If you take the statistics and headlines that his police chief releases and allows to be published, of course 'lower crime rates' seem like a good result. If you think about how many innocents have and will be punished as a result though, well, is this ridding them of crime or is this just creating a type of crime that is overlooked.

It is not about the country getting so bad that it has pushed the people to this result. Rather, he has taken advantage of a countries whose values are gotten from a traditional catholic view, where sinners deserve to be judged and judged harshly. Crime has always been dealt with harshly over there and it has not helped reduce it.

h4rm0ny · 22 Aug 2016 at 14:54

Arazi said:
Go back and ask them the rest of your post, not me, i don't have a solution for their problems or their politics, that's why i said leave them to it, nothing to do with us in the west is it?

Who I care about doesn't get defined by what country I happened to be born in. I pity those people for whom it does.

RaohNS · 22 Aug 2016 at 15:00

Avenged7Fold said:
If you take the statistics and headlines that his police chief releases and allows to be published, of course 'lower crime rates' seem like a good result. If you think about how many innocents have and will be punished as a result though, well, is this ridding them of crime or is this just creating a type of crime that is overlooked.

It is not about the country getting so bad that it has pushed the people to this result. Rather, he has taken advantage of a countries whose values are gotten from a traditional catholic view, where sinners deserve to be judged and judged harshly. Crime has always been dealt with harshly over there and it has not helped reduce it.

As it should. People were clearly fed up.

The remark that 1% of a population commits 90% of a crime? Something like that? Fine to dispute the figure but the message is there.

Cosimo · 22 Aug 2016 at 15:03

Sega Mega Dave said:
He sounds like someone who would be a good laugh down the pub.

Until you step outside and one of his mates shoots you in the head.

joey1211 · 22 Aug 2016 at 15:17

Cosimo said:
Until you step outside and one of his mates shoots you in the head.

Or you spilled his pint :eek:

Avenged7Fold · 22 Aug 2016 at 16:58

RaohNS said:
As it should. People were clearly fed up.

Do you think his attitude toward vigilantes going round killing whom they suspect is just?

People are fed up with crime but a minority is using his insane attitude as an excuse to kill others on just suspicion.

The state of the country and how it deals with crime is definitely not as it should be.

If this was an middle eastern politician or Saudi power that suggested these forms of justice, i have no doubt that the attitudes of a few on this thread would be different.

How would you feel if you were like myself and had family out there? They are not criminals and have nothing to hide but that makes little difference to those with an agenda or those who choose to ignore the right to a fair trial. The crime figures may be down but i very much doubt less people have been murdered and that anyone but those with a gun in their hands feel safer.

Avenged7Fold · 5 Sep 2016 at 20:51

To update this thread, in the last week he visited his home town. A bomb was set off in the market near him. This bomb was to send a message rather than do damage to him.

He has also decided to throw insults at the POTUS, calling him 'a son of a whore' in advance of their meeting and recommends that Obama not touch on the subject of the killings.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sident-rodrigo-duterte-barack-obama-son-whore

He is taking the Philippines strongest ally and butting heads because he feels that they will interfere due to Duterte obvious violation of human rights. America has removed power hungry politicians before from Philippine presidency, lets hope they have not changed their policy.

Angilion · 5 Sep 2016 at 22:17

I read an interview recently with one of the paid killers. They're very poor and need to get money somehow and they get a useful amount for every person they kill. They get the kill order and they go and kill the person. They don't know who the person they kill is and they don't see any evidence or even any evidence that there is any evidence. Given the scale of corruption, they know it's possible that the person giving them kill orders is a criminal and the person they kill is innocent. They try not to think about it. They really need that money.

It's probably true that most of the people killed are drug addicts and probably true that most, or at least a large minority, of the people killed are low level drug dealers. Probably. But there's no way of knowing, since there's no law involved.

Is that really a good solution to the problem?

No1newts · 5 Sep 2016 at 23:15

The John Oliver video about him is brilliant.

The guy is certifiable, he's completely barmy and when you read into it the whole situation is shambolic and he is not the one to fix it. It's like trying to stop a fire spreading by nuking the area where it started.

BlueMerle · 5 Sep 2016 at 23:17

Avenged7Fold said:
To update this thread, in the last week he visited his home town. A bomb was set off in the market near him. This bomb was to send a message rather than do damage to him.

He has also decided to throw insults at the POTUS, calling him 'a son of a whore' in advance of their meeting and recommends that Obama not touch on the subject of the killings.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sident-rodrigo-duterte-barack-obama-son-whore

He is taking the Philippines strongest ally and butting heads because he feels that they will interfere due to Duterte obvious violation of human rights. America has removed power hungry politicians before from Philippine presidency, lets hope they have not changed their policy.

Annnnd..... Obama has cancelled the meeting... typical! :rolleyes:

White House cancels Obama meeting with Philippines leader