Brexit thread - what happens next

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bscott said:
The logic here is referring to your lack of understanding of the rules of the referendum.

Rules which you now seem to want to change.
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I love when people talk about rules of a vote, lol.
In this democracy, anything at all we vote for, we can happily vote away again at a later date.
Stop speaking of rules when nothing is ever set in stone.

I am not wishing for any further vote, but lets just let Tessie get on with things, and in 2020 decide how good a job she has done.
 
bscott said:
The logic here is referring to your lack of understanding of the rules of the referendum.

Rules which you now seem to want to change.
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What rules? The referendum was an advisory. The government have taken that 'advice' and Brexit is proceeding. But it doesn't end there, it's just the start of a very long process and there's bound to be plenty of democratic debate along the way as to what shape Brexit takes. That's how democracies work. The referendum wasn't a reality show eviction.
 
bscott said:
The logic here is referring to your lack of understanding of the rules of the referendum.

Rules which you now seem to want to change.
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To win with 50% of valid votes cast, plus one vote or more, was always a terrible winning condition, and I've always thought so.

For either side. (ofc)


I would want at least 40% of the total population (2/5's) to have voted either way.

In an example of 72% turnout of voting population, this would need 55.6% of votes for either side to win (because that is how many you would need to reach 40% of the total population).
 
Threepwood said:
Something this large deserved a total population % finishing line number higher than 37%, that is what i mean.

There should have been a clearer victory needed for change, because this change on these results just divide us, and this sucks. We are a divided, then divided again country.

Obviously if you don't vote, then you have no vote to count. But, even if you dont' vote, you still count. Everyone counts.
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So a majority is fine when it's to join, but a different set of rules to come out?

Brexit hasn't divided the country, it's been divided for decades, if not centuries.
 
Darujhistan said:
So a majority is fine when it's to join, but a different set of rules to come out?

Brexit hasn't divided the country, it's been divided for decades, if not centuries.
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Well, first... The 1975 referendum did pass that 2/5's thing that I'm talking about, with around 43% of the total population voing to join.

(67.23% IN votes of 64.62 turnout = 43.444026% total population voing IN)



Second, yes indeed we have. Now we are doubly divided.
 
Azza said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/20/tory-brexit-negotiators-unpromising-start
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Just lol:

“It is staggering,” said one top UK official. “They have not even got to base one in terms of knowledge.” Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform in London, says some “very senior” people in the UK government are deeply ignorant about the single market, and adds that only now are the Brexit-backers beginning to grasp the difficulty of what faces them. “I think that two months down the line the senior Brexiters are beginning to realise that the whole process is going to be a lot more complicated, time-consuming and boring than they had imagined before, when they had presented it all as black and white. They are beginning to realise that this will occupy most of the energies of government for the next five to 10 years.

“That does not mean that Brexit is not going to happen. Of course it is going to happen. But it is a massively complex and lengthy business.”
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Two months and bish bash bosh -- we're done! Painless, easy, risk free. Nope.
 
n111ck said:
You are remarkably emotional about something that apparently won't affect you despite pending financial apocalypse in your view.
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As I said it is a possibility. If the financial sector are hit with fees they may decide to decamp to Paris/Frankfort. There is nothing special about London. The loss of tax revenues would result in a severe shock to the UK. It would allow the Tories to finish off the NHS by saying they could no longer afford it. I am annoyed at the glib comments of people. This exit will take a decade or more to work its way through before a new stasis is reached. The people at the bottom, needing food parcels at the moment will be worst hit. I feel angry on their behalf, they are the ones who are going to get stuffed, especially if there is a Tory Govt for the next decade as seems likely.

As for myself, as I stated way back in this thread, my investments had been hit by 10% but will recover. I can always rely on rental income from my properties to tide me over if things get really bad. Although I loathe Thatcher, her actions have given me a reliable financial stream so no I am not worried but I pity others who do not have my resources.
 
do_ron_ron said:
As I said it is a possibility. If the financial sector are hit with fees they may decide to decamp to Paris/Frankfort. There is nothing special about London. The loss of tax revenues would result in a severe shock to the UK. It would allow the Tories to finish off the NHS by saying they could no longer afford it. I am annoyed at the glib comments of people. This exit will take a decade or more to work its way through before a new stasis is reached. The people at the bottom, needing food parcels at the moment will be worst hit. I feel angry on their behalf, they are the ones who are going to get stuffed, especially if there is a Tory Govt for the next decade as seems likely.

As for myself, as I stated way back in this thread, my investments had been hit by 10% but will recover. I can always rely on rental income from my properties to tide me over if things get really bad. Although I loathe Thatcher, her actions have given me a reliable financial stream so no I am not worried but I pity others who do not have my resources.
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Lol
 
StriderX said:
Everyone knew this, what a shock that politicians are bad at their job...
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Utter rubbish. Nobody really knew this as it was never properly investigated, by anyone. The leave campaign also had no reason to as they were just peddling £350m a week to the NHS and no more foreigners living down your road.

If the truth was made more clear it may well have swung the vote, but nobody cared on either side as it was not something that anyone wanted to hear.
 
PapaLazaru said:
Utter rubbish. Nobody really knew this as it was never properly investigated, by anyone. The leave campaign also had no reason to as they were just peddling £350m a week to the NHS and no more foreigners living down your road.

If the truth was made more clear it may well have swung the vote, but nobody cared on either side as it was not something that anyone wanted to hear.
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No body in the establishment, on either side, thought it would happen so they all went along with it, playing out the charade. Hence the great disappearing act by a lot of them when the result came. First time I have seen the victors in an electoral ballot disappear for days.
 
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