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He is - he wants to get round the table for peace talks with the Islamic State lol.

This traingate thing, I think Corbyn is right on - I was on a Kings Cross-Edinburgh train last week and it was absolutely rammed, if I hadn't have booked a seat I'd have been standing all the way to York. According to his spokesman on the radio this morning he was sitting on the floor with another young couple, a guard noticed him and offered him a free upgrade to first class, which Corbyn declined because he shouldn't get upgraded ahead of the young couple. So instead the guard upgraded some people sitting in standard class to free up some room for Corbyn to sit in standard class. That would explain why he was able to get a sit later.

watch the video he walks past a dozen empty seats to sit on the floor.
 
In the end people saw through Blair and his "New Labour" tho. Brown lost the election. And many people do not remember Blair fondly in 2016.

Let's not forget the bad from Blair's legacy...

The Iraq war (based on lies).
Massive use of "spin".
Policy of deliberate mass immigration, to "rub the people's noses in multiculturalism".
"There's no money left."
Tuition fees
Outsourcing public functions to private providers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...molish-the-myth-about-tony-blair-7808282.html

Apparently a lot of Tories see Blair as "one of us".

And in Blair's memoirs, he cites the Freedom of Information Act as one of his biggest mistakes. "Governments have to be able to keep secrets from their people; to decide things behind closed doors. Showing people what politicians are doing only reduces trust in them."

I'm really not sure who a Blair-style Labour party is appealing to today? People whose instincts are aligned with the Tories but prefer red to blue? Heh.

If the PLP are mostly the next-gen of Blair and co, I'd rather see what's in box #2.

Some of what i said. He amassed a personal fortune of up to and possibly exceeding £100m. I'm yet to purchase it but the killing$ of tony Blair is one my wish list.
 
He is - he wants to get round the table for peace talks with the Islamic State lol.

This traingate thing, I think Corbyn is right on - I was on a Kings Cross-Edinburgh train last week and it was absolutely rammed, if I hadn't have booked a seat I'd have been standing all the way to York. According to his spokesman on the radio this morning he was sitting on the floor with another young couple, a guard noticed him and offered him a free upgrade to first class, which Corbyn declined because he shouldn't get upgraded ahead of the young couple. So instead the guard upgraded some people sitting in standard class to free up some room for Corbyn to sit in standard class. That would explain why he was able to get a sit later.

If true... That wouldn't fit the narrative and then it would be about how Corbyn sat and killed a family of woodlice in cold blood, ignoring their desperate screams for help.
 
I haven't seen the video but is this at the start of the journey and were the seats booked by other people?

He is shown walking through two coaches - the first had seats which were not reserved and not occupied. The second had reserved seats, but the train had already commenced its journey, they had not been occupied and the next stop was 2 hours away in York.

Seat reservations do not mean 'you cannot sit here'. Unless the people who had reserved these seats were going to join the train by helicopter, they were available for use for at least the next 2 hours. But even if you discount that, the first coach had empty seats anyway.

Many trains are rammed but a mid morning midweek departure from London to Scotland is amongst the more quieter services.
 
I went on the train with my 5 year old daughter the other day. There were no seats together so I sat on a free one in the set of seats that were directly in front of the one she was on. I turned into the aisle so I could talk to her and check she was ok. Seemed a darn bit smarter than us both sitting on the floor ...
 
Also people seem to sit on the floor on long distance trains even when there are seats. I often find myself stepping over a bunch of people sat in the vestibule to gain access to the half empty coach :confused:
 
His team manufactured a story, it has backfired. The faithful will ignore this and see it all as a terrible conspiracy against prophet Corbyn.
 
for reporting that he lied/fabricate a story?

virgin went to the press because they didn't like a man making up a fake story to try and damage their business.

I think true or not, it's naïve to think Richard Branson / Virgin release this without consideration of wider context. Specifically that this is released now at the start of the Labour leadership election (ballots went out yesterday) and against someone that has called Richard Branson out publically as a "tax exile" and wants to re-nationalise the railways. Something they are 100% against. Also, nobody can legitimately deny that some of the big media owners have a serious agenda against Corbyn. There are very few unbiased media sources I can think of. So it shouldn't be pretended that this is just Random Company X defending itself against a slur. Branson and Virgin Trains are very much politically opposed to Corbyn. True or not, this isn't an accusation that came from an unbiased source.

And with that preface, I think anyone who has dealt with the media knows how very easy it is to misrepresent things. I've walked through crowded trains and not found anywhere to sit, but that doesn't mean seats hadn't become clear on a carriage further down or that I hadn't bypassed seats that had nobody in them but had a bag on them or which someone in an adjacent seat had said was taken. This is all pretty plausible and combined with the evident bias of some news sources (e.g. that Sky News interview above), there's plenty of room for benefit of the doubt.
 
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I think true or not, it's naïve to think Richard Branson / Virgin release this without consideration of wider context. Specifically that this is released now at the start of the Labour leadership election (ballots went out yesterday) and against someone that has called Richard Branson out publically as a "tax exile" and wants to re-nationalise the railways. Something they are 100% against. Also, nobody can legitimately deny that some of the big media owners have a serious agenda against Corbyn. There are very few unbiased media sources I can think of. So it shouldn't be pretended that this is just Random Company X defending itself against a slur. Branson and Virgin Trains are very much politically opposed to Corbyn. True or not, this isn't an accusation that came from an unbiased source.

And with that preface, I think anyone who has dealt with the media knows how very easy it is to misrepresent things. I've walked through crowded trains and not found anywhere to sit, but that doesn't mean seats hadn't become clear on a carriage further down or that I hadn't bypassed seats that had nobody in them but had a bag on them or which someone in an adjacent seat had said was taken. This is all pretty plausible and combined with the evident bias of some news sources (e.g. that Sky News interview above), there's plenty of room for benefit of the doubt.


i didnt say a slur i said damaging their business.

renationalising the railways is gonna be pretty damaging for a rail company.


And with that preface, I think anyone who has dealt with the media knows how very easy it is to misrepresent things. I've walked through crowded trains and not found anywhere to sit, but that doesn't mean seats hadn't become clear on a carriage further down or that I hadn't bypassed seats that had nobody in them but had a bag on them or which someone in an adjacent seat had said was taken. This is all pretty plausible and combined with the evident bias of some news sources (e.g. that Sky News interview above), there's plenty of room for benefit of the doubt.

how about you watch the CCTV footage?

you can watch Mr corbyn walk past empty seat after empty seat across two carriages.


its very very hard to miss represent direct video footage....
 
i didnt say a slur i said damaging their business.

renationalising the railways is gonna be pretty damaging for a rail company.

Damaging their business by a slur, you mean. You said he was damaging their business by a "making up a fake story". That's a slur.

You also said that they went to press because "they didn't like a man making up a fake story to try and damage their business."

I pointed out that Richard Branson is a personal enemy of Corbyn and that Virgin as a whole is politically opposed to his policies. Again, it's naïve to think that they "went to press" about this now and without any other motivations at play.

EDIT: Did you edit your comment after posting it? It seems to have shifted from what I replied to.
 
He is - he wants to get round the table for peace talks with the Islamic State lol.

He and his mate Corbyn should get some momentum and catch the next train to Raqqa... Lots of seats available and they'll be welcomed with open arms. :D
 
Damaging their business by a slur, you mean. You said he was damaging their business by a "making up a fake story". That's a slur.

You also said that they went to press because "they didn't like a man making up a fake story to try and damage their business."

I pointed out that Richard Branson is a personal enemy of Corbyn and that Virgin as a whole is politically opposed to his policies. Again, it's naïve to think that they "went to press" about this now and without any other motivations at play.

what motivation other than to try and stop him?

you're making out there's some grand conspiracy when it's pretty out and open "this guy lied about us we don;t like him...look heres video proof he's lying".

its happened "now" because he only did it last week.

not like they;ve held onto it for months, they've been lied about they've got the evidence they've released the evidence.


We have to take issue with the idea that Mr Corbyn wasn't able to be seated on the service, as this clearly wasn't the case. We'd encourage Jeremy to book ahead next time he travels with us - both to reserve a seat and to ensure he gets our lowest fares - and we look forward to welcoming him on board again.
Virgin Trains

https://twitter.com/richardbranson/status/768070742135152640/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw


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proper packed....
 
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You are determined to not acknowledge and to move away from my point at all costs. My point is straight-forward. Richard Branson personally and Virgin Trains as a whole are strongly politically opposed to Corbyn and want to see him removed from leadership of the Labour Party and are actively trying to do so. Additionally, major media players are similarly strongly opposed to him politically and want to make him look bad. Your post which I replied to cast the actions of Richard Branson / Virgin Trains as being a company trying to protect itself against someone damaging their business. It is naïve to think that their actions and timing in this don't have a wider motivation. And you know this to be the case. All your responses to me on this point have been not addressing all this, but shifting to a preferred area of discussion for you. There is nothing in my point that is incorrect, I am addressing the way you slanted things to elide that the parties carrying out this representation are parties with a known and heavy political bias against Corbyn. And that point is worth making.
 
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Brandon has almost nothing to do with Virgin East Coast anyway, even Virgin rail themselves are only a minority shareholder. It's mostly Stagecoach Group.
 
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