The next Labour leader thread

That may be but if the next stop is another 2 hours and no one claims, surely you could sit down? Mind you, Laura Kuenssberg would probably make 20 tweets about JC stealing train seats from hard working people.
 
My only bad experience on a train has been a Virgin one.

Harmony is correct though, a man with billions will have a lot of belief in politics. What's so bad about renationalising things?
 
Glaucus said:
this is exactly my fear and why labour need to go back to new labour or even more right wing.
its all well and good being idealistic, but you screw the country over. As its only ever been a 2 party race.
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As new Labour were viewed as Tory-Lite by their supporters and support for them in their heartlands ebbed away your solution is to go 'even more right wing'. So you would end up like America with a Centre right Party and a right-far right Party. No thanks.
 
RaohNS said:
My only bad experience on a train has been a Virgin one.

Harmony is correct though, a man with billions will have a lot of belief in politics. What's so bad about renationalising things?
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Ask any 5 people that used British Rail in the 1970s-1990s.

Chaotic services, a monthly strike, staff who couldn't care less, semi-derelict stations, crowded and/or filthy trains...
 
I think it's unfair to suggest that would occur now. It's a hefty assumption.

I do think rail needs addressing. When I took that aforementioned journey the other day national rail site quoted me 163 return for my journey (allegedly the quickest route) I made my journey quicker by another rail company for 31. That's pretty deceptive practice because the way I went was quicker too and it didn't flag on the system - it makes you wonder how many people are conned out of money like this.

I used to use Virgin a lot but tbh they suck. The seats are uncomfy, they have less legroom than their rivals, the toilets just are rank, they are overpriced for their routes and they seem more prone to delays than their competitors.

Saying that though Corbyn is clearly wrong on this one.
 
Xordium said:
hen I took that aforementioned journey the other day national rail site quoted me 163 return for my journey (allegedly the quickest route) I made my journey quicker by another rail company for 31.
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that sounds suspiciously like you're comparing the cost of an open return and 2 advance tickets.

which route was it out of curiosity
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Ask any 5 people that used British Rail in the 1970s-1990s.

Chaotic services, a monthly strike, staff who couldn't care less, semi-derelict stations, crowded and/or filthy trains...
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Its 2016.... Not 1970-1990. Are service now not chaotic? Do staff care any more? They are people after all. I've been on some filthy trains and crowded ones... I couldn't even get a seat so had to walk through two carriages sit on the floor!

I certainly would. Having said that I would also favour all energy and water providers by law having to have to have 51% state ownership.
 
Tefal said:
that sounds suspiciously like you're comparing the cost of an open return and 2 advance tickets.

which route was it out of curiosity
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My station - New St - London = 163 (could have been got cheaper of course if I had prebooked but the point is I was going on what was offered and that saving strategy could have been applied to the other routes too)
Lichfield TV - London = 42
My local station - Lichfield TV - London = 31

So they clearly mark the price up if you go through New St as most will. And then they also mark it up if you get the direct service only from Lichfield. Basically that's just money grabbing and shouldn't be allowed. Works ok for me.
 
Tefal said:
that sounds suspiciously like you're comparing the cost of an open return and 2 advance tickets.

which route was it out of curiosity
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Dunno about Xordium but if you ever go from York to London then trains on the Grand Central franchise always seem to be a lot cheaper than Virgin (and a lot less busy). The whole system is a mess.
 
Owen: Let's bind us more to the conference and have more direct democracy in the party that way. (Yes, the way he puts it does mean when Labour are in government too.)
Jeremy: Let's try a media stunt! I hear they're rather good. (Yes, but when they backfire they're rather bad, and you aren't Boris, Jezza.)

*facepalm*

Owen seems oblivious to the problem, after the current debacle, of putting to the electorate that they come second in Labour's calculus.

On the other hand, Corbyn reminded me of Zac Goldsmith in that train story: a hostage to his team and circumstances. In principle, in Labour at least, there'd be nothing exceptionally radical about re-nationalising franchises as they become available and letting them compete against private providers, as a way of making a case for fully nationalised provision; but the way Corbyn goes about this is increasingly arbitrary.
 
Mr Jack said:
Labour voters supported Remain by around 2:1, and Labour members supported Remain by a even greater margin.
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Yes, but the figures further North (until you get to Scotland, obviously) and in the Midlands are more mixed, Wales's problematic too. Particularly if you include people who supported Labour in the past but did not vote or had not renewed their membership. Although I'd like to run the polls now and after a concrete Brexit plan's out in the open, to see how some of these pledges that muddied the waters in those regions hold up. What's available re voting intentions and the PM ratings, isn't great.
 
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