Am I being fobbed off?

ttaskmaster said:
A number of them, branches of Morrisons in particular, have been done by Trading Standards because their staff had fiddled with the fuel. They had been syphoning it off to sell out the back alley and bulking the main tanks with a variety of other stuff.
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I dont believe this story at all without a source, knowing a bit about the industry it just seems too unlikely that this could happen....
 
Dis86 said:
I don't see a citation. I see you posting more words but no sources.
Considering the demands you're placing on people in the Semenya thread I think that's a bit rich.
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What would you like, then?

I can put you in touch with the TSO, perhaps, but it's not up to me whether he goes into detail about it.
I can ask around the various newspapers of Harrow and Brent, to see if their archives from about 2001 are available?
I doubt the companies involved would care to supply details of their own prosecuting, though. Same for any of their staff who might have been sacked as a result.
 
A simple link to a reputable site or article.

You know, that same thing you keep asking for.
 
ttaskmaster said:
What would you like, then?

I can put you in touch with the TSO, perhaps, but it's not up to me whether he goes into detail about it.
I can ask around the various newspapers of Harrow and Brent, to see if their archives from about 2001 are available?
I doubt the companies involved would care to supply details of their own prosecuting, though. Same for any of their staff who might have been sacked as a result.
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So this was 15 years ago? Hardly proof it's a current issue is it then?
 
Dis86 said:
You tell me! I'm just asking for what you're asking for elsewhere but failing to provide.
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Difference is that the other thread is full of arguments based on some peoples' opinions of information they don't actually have, which they present as indisputable facts that are the only possible defining answer to a question of opinion and morality...

By contrast, I'm merely saying a friend of mine was involved with some of this. I don't really care if you believe it or not, as it is merely anecdotal and even if I do prove it beyond every conceivable refutation, the incidents bear little consequence to the OP or the topic in general.

But if *I'm* to decide what is a reputable source, I'm sure you'd consider it too biassed or something anyway... ;)


#Chri5# said:
So this was 15 years ago? Hardly proof it's a current issue is it then?
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TBH, 2001 doesn't seem so long ago to me, but that probably means I'm just getting old...

Either way, I never said it *was* a current issue... just that it had happened, in the same way bad batches of fuel have been supplied throughout entire regions and individual stations' tanks have become contaminated, and I know one of the people who has been involved in some of the prosecutions.

Certainly forecourts doctoring fuel should be highly unlikely nowadays as I expect most delivery systems will be sealed, but HMRC do still have issues with stolen and smuggled fuel, as well as TS prosecuting people selling kerosene as diesel.

"Duty on fuel accounts for almost £28 billion of tax revenue per annum. Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) estimates that uncollected revenue on fuel duty is approximately £480 million per annum. As well as this loss of revenue, non-road worthy vehicles are often used in the transportation of illicitly produced fuels with illegal processes having the potential to cause environmental damage through the indiscriminate disposal of dangerous toxic waste.
While smuggling cheaper fuel and theft from major pipelines is rare, fraud is common through rebated fuels (Marked Gas Oil, ‘red diesel,’ and Kerosene), where duty is 80% less than for regular diesel. Rebated fuels are marked with a combination of dyes and covert markers and consequently HMRC’s Road Fuel Testing Units are equipped with a number of chemical tests to identify if markers have been removed. On 1 April 2015 a new covert marker, which is resistant to known methods of laundering, was introduced".
 
There is a huge difference between the idea that people who work in Supermarket filling stations are stealing fuel and substituting it with random stuff and the common problem HMRC have with people inappropriately using red diesel etc.

'My mate said' is literally the worst type of anecdote ever for a discussion like this - there is nothing to support it and the concept itself seems so far fetched as to be unbelievable.
 
No problem with Tesco fuel!

Sounds like it could either be PCV or maybe a coil pack?
Either way go back and tell them to sort it or you want your money back. To be honest if I had just picked up a used car and it instantly had issues I would be wondering what else is wrong with it. When you say dealer you mean BMW dealer?
 
It sounds like one of the many problems that occur with the N53 engine. Likely to be a problem with the injectors.
 
[TW]Fox;29944301 said:
There is a huge difference between the idea that people who work in Supermarket filling stations are stealing fuel and substituting it with random stuff and the common problem HMRC have with people inappropriately using red diesel etc.
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Not when these people and those people are the same...

[TW]Fox;29944301 said:
'My mate said' is literally the worst type of anecdote ever for a discussion like this - there is nothing to support it and the concept itself seems so far fetched as to be unbelievable.
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I only mentioned it in passing... kinda like you do with anecdotes. It was never intended to be a watertight prosecution case on the high court of the internet, or anything...
Jeez, I thought this was, as you say, a discussion rather than the establishment of a full legal discourse.
 
I've got a 325i (3.0 N53, not the 2.5 N52) and I've used Tesco fuel loads of times. Never had any issue with that or any other kind of fuel.

Did you ever get anywhere with this problem?
 
Sanchez said:
I've got a 325i (3.0 N53, not the 2.5 N52) and I've used Tesco fuel loads of times. Never had any issue with that or any other kind of fuel.

Did you ever get anywhere with this problem?
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I needed the car over the weekend so I humoured them by filling it with BP fuel (twice) whilst I was away. Surprisingly it made no difference so I returned it yesterday after I got back and told them to fix it or refund me. Today they've replaced 6 injectors and will keep it for a cold start test tomorrow to make sure it's fixed.

To clarify, it's not a BMW main dealer but an independent one who have a good rep locally. To be fair to them when I brought it back in they were very apologetic and have assured me it will be fixed. It's just annoying that it went like that initially.
 
Bet they're not impressed that the injectors are £210 each. Even with trade discount they've got to be £150 each.
 
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