What are people's thoughts on the burkini ban in France?

StriderX · 30 Aug 2016 at 03:39

Honestly don't see why there's a great discussion, as come the next few hundred murders prior to Christmas, this whole thing will look justified in the eyes of Sarkozy, NF, AfP et al. (including Sarkozy, because clearly using the situation to win points as a leading party).

Europe is a trench with many live grenades about to go off, and we can't help but focus on throwing out the grenades ignoring the enemy that keeps throwing them in...*Cough* S.A. *Cough*.

Tefal · 30 Aug 2016 at 05:29

muon said:
Burkha's and Minarets were banned under rationalisations which are still far from banning Islam.

good job the poster didn't say ban Islam then , but ban everything to do with Islam....

Tefal · 30 Aug 2016 at 05:30

Surfer said:
Applies to all of burqa/hijab burkini etc etc

Reasons

1. If somebody/anybody wears clothing on a daily basis that hides them from being identified then yeah ban.

Full face helmet?

robgmun · 30 Aug 2016 at 06:43

Amp34 said:
I wonder that extends to banning Nuns from beaches when they are in their habits?

Never seen a nun on a beach, have you?

robgmun · 30 Aug 2016 at 06:44

Tefal said:
good job the poster didn't say ban Islam then , but ban everything to do with Islam....

We're not forcing them to eat pork or drink alcohol

kedge · 30 Aug 2016 at 06:49

Arazi said:
Answer = ban religion.

To do that you need to initiate the right protocols, to do that you need secular government rule only, to do that you need the collective to vote in the secular government rulers then you can change the laws and initiate the ban. Not sure if one could ban the religious mindset though?

Terminal_Boy · 30 Aug 2016 at 08:26

robgmun said:
Never seen a nun on a beach, have you?

I have in the UK and in Ireland. No-one cared. Possibly related to all those nuns having chosen to become so and their being unlikely to shout "Jesus died for our sins!" before getting a bit stabby/shooty/trucky/bomby.

Dis86 · 30 Aug 2016 at 08:35

Amp34 said:
How about dress certain ways due to government?

Also a valid point. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the poster who seems to have a problem with the government telling people what to wear but not religions telling people what to wear.

Dis86 · 30 Aug 2016 at 08:36

Asim, humanity generally started wearing clothing for warmth.

Identity was often through other means such as body paint and jewelery.

RaohNS · 30 Aug 2016 at 08:45

This is what the French law says. We have no say over it. We can grumble, moan, but ultimately this has been passed. Until it is reversed, its the Law. If I went Saudi Arabia and wanted a trip to Mecca or Medina it is illegal for me to do so.

In Islamic countries they often have very strict codes (especially for women) and yet nobody bats an eye lid.

Women - and many of them - have been killed in Islamic countries for not wearing a Burqa. Talk about double standards.

olivier renault · 30 Aug 2016 at 08:45

It's stupid, and I am ashamed of my country. But not surprised.

RaohNS · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:01

Don't be... Most citizens want the ban last I heard.

richthomuk · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:02

RaohNS said:
This is what the French law says. We have no say over it. We can grumble, moan, but ultimately this has been passed. Until it is reversed, its the Law. If I went Saudi Arabia and wanted a trip to Mecca or Medina it is illegal for me to do so.

In Islamic countries they often have very strict codes (especially for women) and yet nobody bats an eye lid.

Women - and many of them - have been killed in Islamic countries for not wearing a Burqa. Talk about double standards.

Lols. Saudi Arabia is a crazy place but it isnt and doesnt speak for the entire Islamic world.

In some areas of America you can get killed for wearing blue or red on the wrong street, is that indicative of all of America or western society... no. That is for sure gona be seen as a weak argument but my point is that places like Saudi and Iran force this by law but it is important not mix the forced covering up in public with women that cover up due to beliefs.

...and we are talking about a burkini here... it doesnt even cover the face, how is this still an issue lol

RaohNS · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:06

richthomuk said:
Lols. Saudi Arabia is a crazy place but it isnt and doesnt speak for the entire Islamic world.

In some areas of America you can get killed for wearing blue or red on the wrong street, is that indicative of all of America or western society... no. That is for sure gona be seen as a weak argument but my point is that places like Saudi and Iran force this by law but it is important not mix the forced covering up in public with women that cover up due to beliefs.

The law in France is what it is and is backed by the majority. I may not agree with it but will defend it. At the same time I will highlight double standards. You say its just Saudi that's crazy, a lot of other countries have women killed for not wearing it and many more subject to abuse for failing to follow customs (and sometimes laws).

We attack our governments and laws for things as being backward.... A fine for wearing a banned item.... Vs death for being gay. Puts things into a bit more perspective really.

richthomuk · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:08

RaohNS said:
The law in France is what it is and is backed by the majority. I may not agree with it but will defend it. At the same time I will highlight double standards. You say its just Saudi that's crazy, a lot of other countries have women killed for not wearing it and many more subject to abuse for failing to follow customs (and sometimes laws).

We attack our governments and laws for things as being backward.... A fine for wearing a banned item.... Vs death for being gay. Puts things into a bit more perspective really.

The highlighted part... I said this????????

RaohNS · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:14

richthomuk said:
The highlighted part... I said this????????

Apologies if that's not what you implied with this:

rich said:
Saudi Arabia is a crazy place but it isnt and doesnt speak for the entire Islamic world.

Just how I read it...

Although I am sure we could find a case such as this from virtually every Islamic country (ie "you must wear the veil")

richthomuk · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:15

RaohNS said:
The law in France is what it is and is backed by the majority...

The Burkini ban is French Law??

Liquiduk · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:17

stuman said:
It's a tough one for me,

The main argument for it in my eyes is to start to break down the rampant sexism that is engrained within the religion. Trying to promote the change that the religion needs to see, the religion itself is designed to resist any and all changes. So you have an impass.

So it's being argued that restricting something in law is not ok, but if a society and a belief system can bully it's way into widespread acceptance its 'a'ok. But as long as it's not legally forcing people not to it's ok?

This is a good point.

RaohNS · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:22

richthomuk said:
The Burkini ban is French Law??

Its banned until ordered suspended is it not? Hence why fines can be still dished out.

Its like the "headline" pictures and filming. I do think that was a stunt.

richthomuk · 30 Aug 2016 at 09:22

RaohNS said:
Apologies if that's not what you implied with this:

Just how I read it...

Although I am sure we could find a case such as this from virtually every Islamic country (ie "you must wear the veil")

"...but my point is that places like Saudi and Iran force..." so I'm not sure how I was implying it was just Saudi that was bad for this.

Yea we could, we 100% could find cases of this in most if not all countries that have people that practice Islamic religions, but its a very extremist way of looking at something as I'm also 100% sure we can find cases of Christians killing non Christians in every country that has people practicing Christian religions.