What are people's thoughts on the burkini ban in France?

[kaptainmarc]

The only ones I do not like are the letterbox style headdresses

I like to see peoples faces, I do not see a reason as to why you can not see someones face, I'm not going to start rubbing one out over a lady because she has her nose on show

 

[Hambut_Bulge]

Bikinis and speedos should be mandatory. What is it with everyone body shaming these days and saying everyone who is slightest fat should cover up.

You really want to see this in speedos...?

 

[zoomee]

hmmm, you do realise the ban has been suspended right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37198479

France's highest administrative court has suspended a ban on full-body "burkini" swimsuits that was imposed in a town on the Mediterranean coast.
The ban in Villeneuve-Loubet "seriously and clearly illegally breached fundamental freedoms", it found.

This is nothing but political posturing by the few mayor language![/colour] who want to be re-elected - using claims (not far dissimilar to some known posters here lol) of "zomg shania law is coming"!!!! - pretty pathetic but can we blame them when our own politicians in the west are using this type of 'fear' to coax people.

RoahNS - Nice trolling through the thread bud - yeah we get your point - your anti-islamic in more ways than one. Now skip along to your next EDL meeting....

 

[RaohNS]

Well said

Its banned by France.

Its their rules. I disagree with throwing a banana skin into bushes as being littering. I will not do it any more.

 

[RaohNS]

Well if its suspended it is suspended.

That's surely the end of it.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

You really want to see this in speedos...?

*whips it out*

time to fap.

 

[Freefaller]

So I was rather unaware of this until this morning and decided to google "what is a burkini" and this came up.

Am i missing something? What or who is offended by this? I wouldn't wear one but seems ok to me. Why anyone would be "banned" from wearing that on a public beach seems like hysteria to me

It does seem like complete madness I agree. "They" say, that it incites division and lack of integration, and helps to support fundamentalist values. I don't buy that for a second.

I personally don't think it's a big deal, and I'd hope that this is just a knee jerk reaction over recent activities in France. Unfortunately, the French (and I speak as one of them) are quite stubborn, and if they feel strongly about something they do something about it. Though if you ask the majority of people wouldn't really care about it, but there are enough people making a fuss about it - the right wing parties are also growing stronger in France too unfortunately.

 

[Roar87]

I don't think we in the West should allow our natural tendency to allow complete freedom of expression and religion to undermine our ability to maintain those values long term. Islam does not promote those beliefs, it does not share them, at it's core it is a very oppressive, traditionalist culture that is not campatible with the values we in the West share. We should make it clear that if you live in a Western country you need to share our values and respect our culture, just as we would be forced to if we were in an Arabic/Islamic country. We do not share in the view that Women should have their face and head covered at all times due a religious belief, therefore if you wish to live in a Western country then you should share in those values, because it's a slippery slope unfortunately.

 

[Dis86]

You really want to see this in speedos...?

I'd rather see it in a bikini. Could certainly use the support!

 

[TwsT]

I don't think we in the West should allow our natural tendency to allow complete freedom of expression and religion to undermine our ability to maintain those values long term. Islam does not promote those beliefs, it does not share them, at it's core it is a very oppressive, traditionalist culture that is not campatible with the values we in the West share. We should make it clear that if you live in a Western country you need to share our values and respect our culture, just as we would be forced to if we were in an Arabic/Islamic country. We do not share in the view that Women should have their face and head covered at all times due a religious belief, therefore if you wish to live in a Western country then you should share in those values, because it's a slippery slope unfortunately.

But what if they like being covered? I totally agree that no woman or man should be forced against her will for any belief system. But quite a lot of Muslim women are totally okay with covering hair and arms. I don't think we should be projecting our insecurities so heavily. It's a very tough subject but integration requires understanding from all sides.


In our free western world women are free to dress how they want. Sure they shouldn't impose Sharia law that is in direct conflict with uk law but following their faith has to be allowed.

I don't care how people dress. I think some people are using this topic to press other agendas.

 

[Freefaller]

In the west we have the freedom to cover ourselves if we want to or not.

What if the person had fair skin and didn't want to get sunburnt? Or just doesn't have the confidence to "show off" their body? If a person is not Muslim but covers themselves what difference is it to a burkini?

But what if they like being covered? I totally agree that no woman or man should be forced against her will for any belief system. But quite a lot of Muslim women are totally okay with covering hair and arms. I don't think we should be projecting our insecurities so heavily. It's a very tough subject but integration requires understanding from all sides.


In our free western world women are free to dress how they want. Sure they shouldn't impose Sharia law that is in direct conflict with uk law but following their faith has to be allowed.

I don't care how people dress. I think some people are using this topic to press other agendas.

Posted what I wanted to say - agreed totally.

I totally get the "do as we do" argument, but at the same time, the joy of living where we do is that we can be who we are without being oppressed for it, we will all be judged, it is just human nature, but I think it is unfair to force women to wear less clothes if they don't want to!

 

[Arazi]

25% of British born Muslims would like to see Sharia Law implemented in this country. That worries me greatly.

I have posted similar before, but as usual there's nothing to see hear from the apologists.

I am just catching up on the thread, not to the end yet, but i haven't seen any of the personal attacks directed at me removed, maybe it is allowed now, i'll give it a go.

 

[Casdawer]

I really don't see how this piece of clothing is in any way offensive.

If this is all it takes to offend you then you've got issues.

As long as the women are not being forced to wear it, I have 0 issues with it.

If the 'West' is truly free, then people should be allowed to wear whatever they want!

 

[Qjumper]

To me, this all boils down to 'When in Rome....' I would be expected to adhere to any laws of the land I am visiting just as I would expect visitors to adhere to the laws in my land.

The day where you cheery pick the laws you adhere to (some you like some you don't) is the day it will all go *I*s up.

The burkini issues seems a little to the extreme but as said it is suspended atm, probably not going to come back in the same 'guise'.

 

[Freefaller]

It's just because it is Muslim that people take offence. Quite funny how something so trivial brings out such abhorrent views and behaviours - whereas were it a western woman with clothes on, or a leggings and a top, no one would bat an eyelid.

I think this thread is purely done for provocation and frankly getting close to closing it really as the same arguments have been done and repeated - stalemate.

 

[Arazi]

To do that you need to initiate the right protocols, to do that you need secular government rule only, to do that you need the collective to vote in the secular government rulers then you can change the laws and initiate the ban. Not sure if one could ban the religious mindset though?

I know, i posted earlier saying that i would be long dead before all religion is banned unless aliens landed tomorrow, but then we will still have the mindset of a lot of people who will actually think that their god created the Aliens that just landed on earth

 

[Freefaller]

I know, i posted earlier saying that i would be long dead before all religion is banned unless aliens landed tomorrow, but then we will still have the mindset of a lot of people who will actually think that their god created the Aliens that just landed on earth

And so what if people are religious?

 

[Roar87]

But what if they like being covered? I totally agree that no woman or man should be forced against her will for any belief system. But quite a lot of Muslim women are totally okay with covering hair and arms. I don't think we should be projecting our insecurities so heavily. It's a very tough subject but integration requires understanding from all sides.


In our free western world women are free to dress how they want. Sure they shouldn't impose Sharia law that is in direct conflict with uk law but following their faith has to be allowed.

I don't care how people dress. I think some people are using this topic to press other agendas.

We should also recognise that some cultures, political beliefs and even religions can be dangerous and represent an existential threat to our way of life.

You are only allowed the right to be free because we enforce those rights, the right to be free should not extend to cultures that do not share those beliefs. You only need to look at what's happening in Turkey right now to see what could happen to any Western country that allows an Islamic belief system to take power.

I think the Burkini issue does seem extreme, but you need to look at the bigger picture.

 

[Tefal]

To do that you need to initiate the right protocols, to do that you need secular government rule only, to do that you need the collective to vote in the secular government rulers then you can change the laws and initiate the ban. Not sure if one could ban the religious mindset though?

I'd support a vote on removing the CoE from the house of lords and so government tbh,.

 

[Hambut_Bulge]

We should also recognise that some cultures, political beliefs and even religions can be dangerous and represent an existential threat to our way of life.

And a fundamental part of our "way of life", is that the state cannot tell you how to dress/cut your hair etc (naked ramblers aside ). The rational response of a mature liberal democracy is to recognise that people may dress how they wish, but at the same to protect people from being forced into doing something they don't want to do. That though, thanks in part to multiculturalism, is a much bigger problem and one which western governments, so far, seem unwilling to confront.