What are people's thoughts on the burkini ban in France?

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wildman said:
if that's the way we are playing the game, then I put forward a motion that all germans need to take more punitive punishment for what the Nazi's did. Additionally while taking their punitive punishment they had better shut their cake holes and acquiesce, because they are probably nazi scum underneath anyway...........

yep your attitude makes perfect sense........... :rolleyes:
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Great idea! A similar thing worked well after WW1... :p
 
kaktus said:
I meant it was introduced 1,300 years back, actually a bit more like 1,400 years ago and it wasn't until the mid 1800's that we caught up in Europe though I suspect you already knew that.

As for pointing me to "numerous Koranic quotes for me to ignore". That's rather presumptuous of you. I'm sure with enough googling I could find plenty of quotes and anecdotal evidence to support the idea that Islam does emancipate women despite the cultural oppression we see everyday. I personally believe, that is the issue, not the religion and in any case we digress from the topic which is regarding the Burkini swimsuit
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So from its inception. Sadly however, Islam does not emancipate or liberate women. I didn't, it read that from 1860, Islam had something 1300years prior. While it did allow access to property under certain circumstances they are still not the equal of men.

We can of course turn to the strictest Islamic nation on earth to see exactly this. For every quote you can find women emancipated I can direct you immediately back to women by law can be held as sex slaves. At that point, whatever emancipation you claim is totally lost.

Culture of course plays a large factor nut as someone has said already law helps to give rise to culture (culture given definition as values, beliefs and behaviours that are ideally generational).
 
The Running Man said:
So you are saying they should have zero empathy for their countrymen in this time of crisis?

No body has to go to the beach, it's not a requirement. No one is stopping them from wearing a burkini in their back garden if they so want. But while there's threat of suicide bombers or gunmen on beaches hiding weapons in their clothing, you'd have to be pretty idiotic to think 'why don't we all pile down to the beach in burkinis and really rub their french noses in it'
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Sorry, what?

I'd check again what a Burkini actually is. You can no more hide weapons under it than any other normal item of clothing. Are you suggesting the ban needed to be extended to any item of clothing not bikini or speedos? Thats the only way your comment would make sense.
 
Dis86 said:
Actually there indirectly are. The ones that generally stop us wandering about naked for one!
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Ironically modestly laws, the very same ones people are complaining about regarding Islam. The difference is our opinions on what modesty is. Makes sense as modesty is in the eyes of the beholder...
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Yes just part, that is not the same as Muslims all sharing the same culture. It is because of this that you must treat it as a culture issue.

What does this ban do except further the cause of the extremist religious preachers and the right wing hate groups?

Yes you can debate that all day, but the fact of the matter is that there are many, many people that consider themselves Muslim, that do not have ill intent towards westerners, that are integrating well and that carry many western ideals. Including them with the worst of them as well as alienating them does no one any good.
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Never said there weren't. And they're under just as much threat, if not more so, from the hard-line Islamists as the rest of us. I just think that statements such as it's a culture only thing are a gross over-simplification of the complex relationship with, and problems faced by, practising Muslims living in the west

Just to be clear, I am absolutely opposed to any sort of ban. It would have incredibly negative consequences.
 
Arazi said:
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"Many Egyptian women say they are facing a difficult summer season as Hijab-free zones have soared in popularity, as more restaurants and high-end resorts enforce a de-facto ban on wearing Muslim headbags."

"Social media users in Egypt flocked to Facebook and Twitter over the past week to condemn the apparent decision by some venues to deny veiled women entry. Many deemed the ban as “discriminatory” against practicing Muslim women in Egypt – a country in which 90 percent of its 80-million population are Muslim."

"The ban is not completely new, it was reportedly common at resorts and restaurants frequented by foreigners, in cities such as Sharm el Sheikh and Hurghada."

Well i never.
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So, are you arguing we should be more like Egypt?

Edit: and besides, they aren't Burkinis, they are Burqas, amongst others...
 
Islamic religious dress should be outlawed in the UK. Freedom of religion should be freedom of PRIVATE religion. In the UK we have a state church so outside of that, I don't want religion to be involved in my life.
 
RaohNS said:
Its the double standards arguments.

Its like me arguing I would like to visit the prophet Mohammed mosque (this is genuine) but I am forbidden from doing so under pain of what? Prison? Torture? Death?
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Which double standards? :confused:
 
Amp34 said:
Which double standards? :confused:
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Outrage at a ban on something then a threat of and literal killings over a cartoon. Every time someone criticises at a national level there is death.

Double standard 2) don't control what women wear! Islamic countries: Women WILL wear a [women's Islamic garment here].
 
RaohNS said:
Outrage at a ban on something then a threat of and literal killings over a cartoon. Every time someone criticises at a national level there is death.

Double standard 2) don't control what women wear! Islamic countries: Women WILL wear a [women's Islamic garment here].
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The assumption that all muslim women cover up because they are forced to is pretty high here. Dont force women to wear "x" but ban "x" clothing associated with women in Islam... and then preach about double standards... Not sure if it is trolling or ignorance.
 
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richthomuk said:
The assumption that all muslim women cover up because they are forced to is pretty high here. Dont force women to wear "x" but ban "x" clothing associated with women in Islam... and then preach about double standards... Not sure if it is trolling or ignorance.
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Tell that to the owners of women in Saudi or Iran. See what reaction you may get. Try saying it in parts of Pakistan. Then we would know ignorance of how males feel in those parts of the world.
 
RaohNS said:
Tell that to the owners of women in Saudi or Iran. See what reaction you may get. Try saying it in parts of Pakistan. Then we would know ignorance of how males feel in those parts of the world.
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Do you even read what people post or just make up what you think they said and comeback with a crazy comment?
 
richthomuk said:
Do you even read what people post or just make up what you think they said and comeback with a crazy comment?
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I do indeed. What I am saying is arguing its a choice for women, isn't entirely accurate. Islamic countries and particularly tribal areas have an expectation on women to wear these things.
 
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