PlayStation 4 Pro in-bound

cyclonus10 said:
Well, i read about this possible HDR update and stumbled on this
https://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-ue-ju6400-ju6500-4k-range-owners-thread.1953353/page-16

and then found this http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...amsung-sony-supporting-hdr-all-2015-tv-s.html

I am running FW 1460 btw.

8-bit panel, not 10-bit but its HDR.

Watched the Exodus clip from here http://hdrsamples.com/exodus-4k-uhd-hdr-sample-footage/ and it looks superb.

Barely had my PS4 a couple of months and now i will have to sell it and upgrade.
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I'm perplexed how a firmware update can achieve decent HDR results from a TV which orginally didn't pocess the feature, surely it's the physical aspect of the panel which governs this and not software.
 
ic1male said:
So what do you guys think about this - if a game developer goes back to an old game and adds some 4K+HDR and/or extra 1080p goodies, would you be willing to pay for that patch (as a form of DLC?)

Not sure whether that is what is being hinted at in this article by Kotaku or what.

http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/09/09/when-asked-if-4k-hdr-game-patches-cost-money-sony-said-it-depends
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Depends on the game, if I still play it I'd pay for the update. But really all the games that are coming out october or later will have these Pro features for free so I'm not worrying too much about it.
 
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2StepSteve said:
I'm perplexed how a firmware update can achieve decent HDR results from a TV which orginally didn't pocess the feature, surely it's the physical aspect of the panel which governs this and not software.
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Different variations of the standard. A TV able to produce 500 nits of brightness can be classed as HDR. But for HDR-10 it needs to produce 1000 nits +.

So if a firmware update can raise the nits level to above 500 it can be classed as HDR.

It's stupid and complicated and a bit deceiving as many TVs are classed as HDR but not HDR-10....
 
MOOGLEYS said:
Different variations of the standard. A TV able to produce 500 nits of brightness can be classed as HDR. But for HDR-10 it needs to produce 1000 nits +.

So if a firmware update can raise the nits level to above 500 it can be classed as HDR.

It's stupid and complicated and a bit deceiving as many TVs are classed as HDR but not HDR-10....
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Sneaky, seems like there is no standard that manufacturers are conforming to. Definitely smells like this technology needs a little more time to mature.

I went to have a look at the Samsung KS7000 after work which you recommended, looked very nice.

Just read this however though!

On first impressions, the Samsung KS7000 shapes up nicely: all the key UHD specs are adhered to, a VA panel delivers deep black levels, while game mode lowers input lag to just 21ms - all for a respectable £1300 for a 49-inch screen. However, the caveat here is that HDR content can only be displayed using movie mode, which results in a whopping 112ms of lag - so while the KS7000 attracts excellent reviews for its quality, and is a great buy for 4K gameplay, it falls out of contention if you're looking for UHD gameplay with HDR enabled.
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Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-best-4k-screens-for-hdr-gaming

Gah! Rules the KS7000 out big time.

Edit: Just read a post on AVforum from yesterday that states a new update reduces input lag to just 24ms whilst HDR is enabled for gaming. - Source here: https://twitter.com/HDTVTest/status/773859278050516992/photo/1

Also had a look at the LG OLED55B6V, breathtaking, but as mentioned the input lag in HDR mode is also not appealing. Shame, I think it will take a couple more revisions to get there with it.
 
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2StepSteve said:
. Shame, I think it will take a couple more revisions to get there with it.
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Be careful because HDR is still in its (effectively) 1st generation , and you are (according to Samsung) looking at a relatively budget model of TV - given their range goes up to the premium 9500 set, so imo you are lucky to be getting HDR at all in such a set relatively low down the scale yet with such a new feature

Its only natural that the better sets will get better HDR abilities with less drawbacks / lower refresh times. Its how every tv manufacturer differentiates their range (even the OLED from LG has 65" and I think 77" inch versions up their range)
 
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FrankJH said:
Be careful because HDR is still in its (effectively) 1st generation , and you are (according to Samsung) looking at a relatively budget model of TV - given their range goes up to the premium 9500 set, so imo you are lucky to be getting HDR at all in such a set relatively low down the scale yet with such a new feature
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Definitely agree, can already tell it's a minefield. Kinda surprised Sony have been so quick to jump on HDR with the PS4 Pro, seems like the TV industry isn't quite ready yet for it.
 
2StepSteve said:
Definitely agree, can already tell it's a minefield. Kinda surprised Sony have been so quick to jump on HDR with the PS4 Pro, seems like the TV industry isn't quite ready yet for it.
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Given Sony are doing this as much for VR as they are for HDR, to get something on the market, its not a big deal for them really - practically identical componants with a few new settings for the Pro - easy win really
 
If you are buying a HDR set now make sure it is UHD Premium HDR-10 that way it will be a 10 bit panel and will support HDR correctly.

The PS4 pro states it needs to be HDR-10 certified and it does not support dolby vision.
 
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Matt Van Dam said:
You're on a PC component forum. You know very well you can build a gaming PC that would smash PS4Pro for the same price.

Thats why everyone is underwhelmed. It's a premature update to the console that's already lagging too far behind the master-race.

At least XBox One S is honest about what it is... the same gaming hardware but also providing a 4K Media Hub, some welcome redesign to the controller, a free AAA game (FIFA 17) and (arguably) looks far nicer than the PS4 or it's Slim/Pro versions.

I was very much on the brink of getting a PS4 for much of this generation, and was waiting for a slim variant. Now, I'm about as put off as can be.

Time to re-join the master race methinks.
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Please spec this build for us that will smash the ps4 for the same price. Genuinely interested in seeing it.
 
bloodline76 said:
Please spec this build for us that will smash the ps4 for the same price. Genuinely interested in seeing it.
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To be fair Digital Foundry's old 750TI system can match or better console graphics at 1080p 60 whereas the consoles rarely keep to a stable 30 and that's at 900p and lower. Something as humble as an i3 and GTX 950 could quite easily best consoles both graphical fidelity wise and frame rate wise.
 
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