There are two Xtreme models, the Gaming (GV-N98TXTREME-6GD) and the Gaming Classic (GV-N98TXTREME C-6GD). The latter has much lower clock speeds out of the box, meaning it's probably safe to assume that they're Xtreme Gaming cards which failed testing at the higher clock speed. It's the same with the two Asus cards listed. Despite being fancy models with large coolers, they're running reference clocks, so again likely failed Strix OC/Matrix Platinum cards that were repurposed at a lower clock speed.
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These then and now comparisons are always good for a laugh because they miss out one important thing.
If an old game runs worse on the latest drivers there is nothing stopping you from using old drivers that do run well.
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Yes, that was 4 months ago when the usual MM scavs were wanting a 980ti for £200 about a week after news of the 1080 had emerged. And hear we are all this time after just getting there, and even then it's only the pov spec versions.
A strong clocking 980ti is still worth £275-300 used.
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I was referring to the MSI Gaming X 1070 which is £100 dearer than the now reduced MSI Gaming 980ti.
However if its valid to compare against the cheaper Palit Jetstream 1070 then it seems a no brainer not to get the 1070 for £30-£40 more. This makes the 980ti still seem overpriced on that basis.
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Do some researching and make your own mind up. I might be wrong but from what i have seen there is good basis to what i think.
Drivers that are available now for a GTX 980 Ti to run BF4 for example are not going to work any less well in 2, 10 or even 100 years.
I was in the market for a replacement to my 2 x Radeon 290s because I got into VR and have the HTC Vive. Currently Crossfire doesn't do anything for VR games and so I'm only seeing the performance of a single 290 in VR titles.
I'm confused as to which card is better out of the 980ti and 1070 as there are loads of reviews out there with differing results. One can only think that some have either made mistakes or have been offered good deals to look favourably on the newer 1070 cards?
Whichever one I go for it will be watercooled and overclocked so overclocking headroom is an important factor. One thing that concerns me is that the 1070 has a high standard gpu clock so does it that mean it will have less headroom than a 980ti with a lower standard gpu clock?
I'm looking at EVGA cards so a 980ti is £329.99 and the equivalent 1070 just over £400 so approximately £70+ difference between the two cards.
I'm also aware of the EVGA step-up program so have considered purchasing the 980ti and then stepping up to the 1070 later on (within the 3 months qualifying period).
I'm confused as to which card is better out of the 980ti and 1070 as there are loads of reviews out there with differing results. One can only think that some have either made mistakes or have been offered good deals to look favourably on the newer 1070 cards?
Whichever one I go for it will be watercooled and overclocked so overclocking headroom is an important factor. One thing that concerns me is that the 1070 has a high standard gpu clock so does it that mean it will have less headroom than a 980ti with a lower standard gpu clock?
I'm looking at EVGA cards so a 980ti is £329.99 and the equivalent 1070 just over £400 so approximately £70+ difference between the two cards.
I'm also aware of the EVGA step-up program so have considered purchasing the 980ti and then stepping up to the 1070 later on (within the 3 months qualifying period).
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True but i am talking about the gtx980 and not the ti. The ti should always be above the RX480 but i always thought the 780 would keep making the 7970/280x look second rate. The fact is against a GCN chip of the same year Kepler is close to being a generation behind. Techpower use some games that suite Nvidia cards and look at how far they have fallen. Maxwell is still competing decently with GCN but i see the same pattern happening again.
My point is a GCN card is a safer bet.
Check out the 390x (a 290x on steroids) v the gtx780 or even the gtx970 which was a good match on release. They are losing ground and these guys don't use most of the games that favor AMD (link below). When these sites start using DX12 games things will look worse for Maxwell. The gtx980 is not a bad buy at the price but it might and probably will be soon. I have confidence that the RX480 won't be.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html
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Well that 'joke' of a card is getting an extra 15 FPS over the 980ti in the newest AAA game on the Market with DX12 - Deus Ex MD.
Alright, surely the fact we are not comparing 4GB of GGDR5 to 6GB of GGDR5 VRAM means it's not as simple as you state. The Fury cards have High Band Width VRAM which is 3 times faster than GDDR5. I wish I knew the formula to normalise the performance of the 2 memory types to allow for a like for like comparison.
Put it this way; if you have 2 identical cards, with the same VRAM capacity only one has GDDR5 memory and the other has the 3 times faster HBM memory, which one would you expect to perform better? So at what point does having more slower memory outperform less faster memory and visa versa. Logic would suggest that the extra speed from the HBM VRAM must offset the smaller capacity, would it not? Does anyone actually know how to do a fair comparison? I'd love to read it.
I have a Fury X which is only 4GB of VRAM, yet where once it was fairly even performance with the 980Ti, it is now pulling away in the newer games utilising DX 12 & Vulcan. When I was choosing which card to buy a few months ago, I too was put off a bit by the Fury 'only' having 4GB and considered the 980Ti also with its 'larger' memory but the fact is I've yet to see any evidence of this holding the card back in terms of performance.
Facts are facts and there are lots of benchmarks out there indicating a trend that the Fury cards with their HBM memory are seeing significant performance gains with the newer APIs. In contrast, the 980Ti is going the opposite direction. Maybe that has nothing to do with the size/type of VRAM, maybe it's to do AMDs built in ASYNC computing but regardless, it's hard to argue the Fury cards are not getting better as time goes on and therefore could reasonably be considered more 'futureproof'.
I'm no expert and perhaps there are other contributing factors I am ignorant too, however based on what I know, I do think my advice to consider a Fury card is pretty sound and if that merits a reward, I'll humbly receive it.
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Ok guys help me out here I can't work out if I'll be better off getting an evga hybrid now with the intention of doing the step up programming with in the 3 months and getting a mid range 1070 or if I'm really lucky a 1080.
On the other hand I might be very happy with the 980ti hybrid and keep it til the next lot of cards come out.
Also I can sell my current cards for £300 so the hybrid will cost me £80. Also my other option is just buy the 1070 ftw on my next payday at the end of the month.
On the other hand I might be very happy with the 980ti hybrid and keep it til the next lot of cards come out.
Also I can sell my current cards for £300 so the hybrid will cost me £80. Also my other option is just buy the 1070 ftw on my next payday at the end of the month.
Well that 'joke' of a card is getting an extra 15 FPS over the 980ti in the newest AAA game on the Market with DX12 - Deus Ex MD.
Alright, surely the fact we are not comparing 4GB of GGDR5 to 6GB of GGDR5 VRAM means it's not as simple as you state. The Fury cards have High Band Width VRAM which is 3 times faster than GDDR5. I wish I knew the formula to normalise the performance of the 2 memory types to allow for a like for like comparison.
Put it this way; if you have 2 identical cards, with the same VRAM capacity only one has GDDR5 memory and the other has the 3 times faster HBM memory, which one would you expect to perform better? So at what point does having more slower memory outperform less faster memory and visa versa. Logic would suggest that the extra speed from the HBM VRAM must offset the smaller capacity, would it not? Does anyone actually know how to do a fair comparison? I'd love to read it.
I have a Fury X which is only 4GB of VRAM, yet where once it was fairly even performance with the 980Ti, it is now pulling away in the newer games utilising DX 12 & Vulcan. When I was choosing which card to buy a few months ago, I too was put off a bit by the Fury 'only' having 4GB and considered the 980Ti also with its 'larger' memory but the fact is I've yet to see any evidence of this holding the card back in terms of performance.
Facts are facts and there are lots of benchmarks out there indicating a trend that the Fury cards with their HBM memory are seeing significant performance gains with the newer APIs. In contrast, the 980Ti is going the opposite direction. Maybe that has nothing to do with the size/type of VRAM, maybe it's to do AMDs built in ASYNC computing but regardless, it's hard to argue the Fury cards are not getting better as time goes on and therefore could reasonably be considered more 'futureproof'.
I'm no expert and perhaps there are other contributing factors I am ignorant too, however based on what I know, I do think my advice to consider a Fury card is pretty sound and if that merits a reward, I'll humbly receive it.
NVidia cards have quicker memory than the Fiji based cards.
Heaven 4 and Valley both like very high memory speeds and NVidia cards excel on these.
There is a big difference between bandwidth and speed. You can have all the bandwidth in the world but poor clockspeed and you will get thrashed on something like Heaven 4.
The fastest gaming card available does not use HBM even though NVidia have cards that do.
The point still stands though, if performance in the latest drivers is not up to it, use the older drivers where it does.
The same holds true for some of my old AMD cards that work best on old drivers.
Having said that AMD do seem to be making a better job of improving performance of older cards with small but regular increases.
Been looking at the 980Tis but im really struggling to choose between them, they all have plus points and match up well against each other. Is there a particular one to stray away from,and a particular one that everyone would advise to get, from personal experience and views?
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Interesting, thanks for the input. What does bandwith have the most impact on then?
This is a direct quote taken from the EVGA website if by account you mean ACX then yes - http://eu.evga.com/support/stepup/