Does this makes sense to you?

So, update.

It was a Police Chopper.

(Again, a Chopper and two squad cars for a routine stop? Hmmn)

And yes, it would appear that he was being erratic and uncooperative and was attempting to retrieve something from his vehicle, despite being told repeatedly to keep still, not reach into his pockets and whatever.

Of course he got shot!

The overwhelming majority of people who get shot under these sorts of circumstances do so as a result of really going out of their way to provoke the situation. Why do they do it?? Really, Why???:confused:
 
Orionaut said:
So, update.

It was a Police Chopper.

(Again, a Chopper and two squad cars for a routine stop? Hmmn)

And yes, it would appear that he was being erratic and uncooperative and was attempting to retrieve something from his vehicle, despite being told repeatedly to keep still, not reach into his pockets and whatever.

Of course he got shot!

The overwhelming majority of people who get shot under these sorts of circumstances do so as a result of really going out of their way to provoke the situation. Why do they do it?? Really, Why???:confused:
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With 1 in 4 people affected by mental health issues every year, among other contributing factors, it's no surprise that quite a lot of folks get a little agitated to be accosted by police.

It seems, as was highlighted by a previous poster, that police training doesn't take this into account beyond being legally allowed to escalate the situation to killing those who become too hot to handle.

An interesting article from a couple of years ago pinpoints the way danger to officers is over-emphasised in training, with maximum force being promoted over a more conciliatory touch:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...trooper-sean-groubert/?utm_term=.e58fe9f6c362
 
Thompson_NCL said:
1. More whites are killed than blacks by police officers in the US.
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Yes, but blacks are killed at a rate around 2.5 times higher than whites (so far in 2016 around 5 per million for blacks, 2 per million for whites. Total figures for 2015 are 7.6 and 2.9 respectively)
 
cheesyboy said:
Yes, but blacks are killed at a rate around 2.5 times higher than whites (so far in 2016 around 5 per million for blacks, 2 per million for whites. Total figures for 2015 are 7.6 and 2.9 respectively)
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And what are the relative crime rates between the two races?

Who commit more violent crimes? Who are more likely to be armed upon arrest? Who are more likely to resist arrest?
 
cheesyboy said:
With 1 in 4 people affected by mental health issues every year, among other contributing factors, it's no surprise that quite a lot of folks get a little agitated to be accosted by police.

It seems, as was highlighted by a previous poster, that police training doesn't take this into account beyond being legally allowed to escalate the situation to killing those who become too hot to handle.

An interesting article from a couple of years ago pinpoints the way danger to officers is over-emphasised in training, with maximum force being promoted over a more conciliatory touch:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...trooper-sean-groubert/?utm_term=.e58fe9f6c362
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Link appears to be psudo-paywalled.

However, being shot by a crazy person isnt going to hurt any less or leave you any less dead than being shot by a sane one.

A Gun can be drawn aimed and fired in less than a tenth of a second!

A Cop who waits to see the gun is almost certain to take fire before they have a chance to respond.

The majority of people who are shot under these sorts of circumstances are in fact subsequently found to have been going for a weapon at the time.

Cops have the right to go home to their families at the end of their shifts! Cops KIA used to run at a much higher rate than they do today. I suspect that the reduction in cop fatalities may well be as a result of a more aggressive approach towards uncooperative suspects in recent years.

And I do not really blame them for it, Do you, really??
 
Orionaut said:
Link appears to be psudo-paywalled.

However, being shot by a crazy person isnt going to hurt any less or leave you any less dead than being shot by a sane one.

A Gun can be drawn aimed and fired in less than a tenth of a second!

A Cop who waits to see the gun is almost certain to take fire before they have a chance to respond.

The majority of people who are shot under these sorts of circumstances are in fact subsequently found to have been going for a weapon at the time.

Cops have the right to go home to their families at the end of their shifts! Cops KIA used to run at a much higher rate than they do today. I suspect that the reduction in cop fatalities may well be as a result of a more aggressive approach towards uncooperative suspects in recent years.

And I do not really blame them for it, Do you, really??
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Most of what you said is exactly the problem the article highlights - the exaggerated expectation of danger.

As for "The majority of people who are shot under these sorts of circumstances are in fact subsequently found to have been going for a weapon at the time." - did you click the link to the Noel Aguilar killing on the previous page? He was 'found' to be reaching for a gun - have a look at the video and make you own mind up about that.

And I would dispute your 'majority' statement anyway.
 
I don't think anyone disputes that obeying an armed policeman is the best thing to do but the amount of people that get shot in the back or other non immediately threatening situations is too numerous.

How could you be an American cop thinking every single time you interact with the public you are going to get shot or be in a position where you will shoot them first. Screw that, your life would be insane. I wouldn't wanna even be friends with people that are that wired for 12h a day.
 
Dis86 said:
And what are the relative crime rates between the two races?

Who commit more violent crimes? Who are more likely to be armed upon arrest? Who are more likely to resist arrest?
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Stats from 2012 (Couldn't find anything more recent):
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Personally, I don't think what is happening is anything new. It has been happening for years (Not saying it's right, far from it). The media simply captures 1 story that generates a lot of attention, and then it snow balls from there. As soon as a particular story becomes popular, the media will roll with it (and any similar) for as long as they can. The problem with this, is that it can skew peoples perception as a whole, making people think the problem is a lot worse than it actually is.

Are there problems that need to be sorted? Of course there is, but it's not a simple solution. There are far too many variables to consider when dealing with a gun culture like America. Not obeying police orders, under the influence of alcohol/drugs, mental health issues, police officers who lack training and even perhaps a small minority of officers that are racist (Who shouldn't be in the job in the first place!).
 
Orionaut said:
But if one, when confronted by a US armed Policemen, are uncooperative, abusive, act erratically or make as if to go for a weapon. then one is very likely (Almost certainly) to wind up dead.
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I guess this 13 year old school girl deserved to be shot since she was being "combative".
 and let's remember, there is no way that weapon fired by itself, nor she could had fired the weapon, the holster makes it impossible without the owner taking the gun out himself.

ThestigGT999 said:
Report: Disabled Black Man Shot Dead by Police While Reading in the Car
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WE GOING TO TEACH YOU TO READ BROTHER! STOP RESISTING!

 
ThestigGT999 said:
yep

and people defend them :confused:
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Because they're not all like that maybe? Just like how not all muslims are suicidal murderers. (despite the fact theres an attack by a muslim almost every week somewhere in the world)

Also i've seen plenty of bodycam footage where the person pulled over/confronted has escalated the situation in seconds and produced a gun from seemingly no where.

They're in a difficult situation these cops, but I do agree, they are too quick to pull the trigger sometimes.
 
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