The next Labour leader thread

Korma Comedian said:
How come there's no discussion of Corbyn winning?
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I for one am very happy. Labour and the left are now in the political wilderness for the foreseeable future. Hard left supporters like Mr Jack can't see it but most of the country is centre-right and Labour only won because Tony Blair dragged the party to the centre ground.

So i'll do a little jig tonight :D
 
robgmun said:
I for one am very happy. Labour and the left are now in the political wilderness for the foreseeable future. Hard left supporters like Mr Jack can't see it but most of the country is centre-right and Labour only won because Tony Blair dragged the party to the centre ground.
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I voted for Owen Smith. In fact I spoke in favour of him at my local CLP meeting.
 
yep nothing to say

he was always going to win and, apart from the lefty nutters, the rest of us still think he's a joke
 
Rotty said:
yep nothing to say

he was always going to win and, apart from the lefty nutters, the rest of us still think he's a joke
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Wow! That's a lot of lefty nutters out there then :eek:

I dont like the direction it's going. I'm a tory voter but with the austerity measures they are putting on things like welfare, disabled benefits and the NHS I really want a solid opposition.

Labour are just an anarchist party now. If May's got any sense she should call an election now. There wouldn't be enough room on the government side of the house for all their MP's.
 
robfosters said:
Wow! That's a lot of lefty nutters out there then :eek:

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its not really though in the big scheme of things, the lefty nutters joined up to vote in the leadership battle, the "normal" labour voters generally didn't

If everyone who voted labour at last election chose the leader the comrade corbyn wouldn't get a look in
 
I voted for Owen Smith. I'm a life long Labour supporter but I'm not a lefty nutjob. I wish May would call an election, I know JC won't win but this is going to be the only way to get rid of JC. Although knowing him he probably wouldn't accept defeat and will carry on being Labour leader.
 
It really says something about post-Blair Labour when anyone who supports Jeremy Corbyn—a staunch representative of traditional old school Labour—is considered a lefty nutjob.

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Evangelion said:
It really says something about post-Blair Labour when anyone who supports Jeremy Corbyn—a staunch representative of traditional old school Labour—is considered a lefty nutjob.

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the problem is a lot of left wing nutjobs have come back in to the party who where banned once over now to see if theres a purge or if corbyns got the ability to lead and run the party.
 
Mr Jack said:
I voted for Owen Smith. In fact I spoke in favour of him at my local CLP meeting.
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You think Owen Smith is the best they had to offer? If Corbyn is honest about democracy wouldnt it be better to work from within the shadow cabinet instead of refusing to work with him.

Goverment need's efective opposition not what we have now.
 
I don't agree with Corbyn on some things but I understand why there's so much support for him - protest voting.

It's interesting that on the left political spectrum the protest vote takes the shape of idealistic, harmless old hippies such as Bernie or Corbyn while on the right one we have authoritarian xenophobes like Trump or Le Pen.
 
Zethor said:
I don't agree with Corbyn on some things but I understand why there's so much support for him - protest voting.

It's interesting that on the left political spectrum the protest vote takes the shape of idealistic, harmless old hippies such as Bernie or Corbyn while on the right one we have authoritarian xenophobes like Trump or Le Pen.
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Politics for Zethors

Chapter 1

Left good, right bad.

The End
 
VincentHanna said:
But....if you voted Tory, that's exactly what you voted for?!
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I hate this attitude.

He voted for the Tories because presumably he thought that's what was best for the country at the time. Now, he wants a softer approach to austerity and would like a strong opposition to the Tories.

You are allowed to change your mind; and crucially, you should challenge and hold those in charge accountable.
 
robgmun said:
I for one am very happy. Labour and the left are now in the political wilderness for the foreseeable future. Hard left supporters like Mr Jack can't see it but most of the country is centre-right and Labour only won because Tony Blair dragged the party to the centre ground.
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Most of the country isn't centre-right, it's centre. Although the right slightly outnumbers the left a the moment there's no reason a party of the centre-left couldn't get elected.

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Tony Blair also won because the Tories had made themselves unelectable, any Labour leader of the centre left would have won the election in '97 and given the economic stability we enjoyed under Labour probably in 2001 and 2005 as well.

In politics you need to compromise and win the electorate over. The aim should be to get elected on a centre-left platform and use power to move the country to the left as time goes on. This is what the Tories do very effectively: Cameron, for example, got elected on a soft centre-right platform and delivered a solidly right wing government. Blair, by running a solidly centrist government failed to do much to take the country to the left and so it was easy for Cameron to set about dismantling the good he had achieved in short order.

I'd love to see a solidly Social Democratic government elected in the UK, but the number of people who agree with me is insufficient to win an election. We need to compromise with the centre and the centre-left and win power to start on that journey.
 
Ricochet J said:
I hate this attitude.

He voted for the Tories because presumably he thought that's what was best for the country at the time. Now, he wants a softer approach to austerity and would like a strong opposition to the Tories.

You are allowed to change your mind; and crucially, you should challenge and hold those in charge accountable.
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Of course you can change your mind

But the election was last year. The conservative manifesto was quite clearly deeper cuts and more austerity.

What did he expect?
 
Ricochet J said:
You are allowed to change your mind; and crucially, you should challenge and hold those in charge accountable.
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no your not though, your supposed to vote the same way from 18-death and god forbid if you dont votethe same way as your parents or friends!!!!! (sarcasm btw) :p
 
Ricochet J said:
I hate this attitude.

He voted for the Tories because presumably he thought that's what was best for the country at the time. Now, he wants a softer approach to austerity and would like a strong opposition to the Tories.

You are allowed to change your mind; and crucially, you should challenge and hold those in charge accountable.
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Equally there are shades of austerity - I think this course was the best to go down but you need an opposition party to keep check on how far it goes. Just like the Labour party there is a wide range views in the Tory party and you dont want the right of the party getting all their own way without some balance.

The election showed that a large % of the country wanted to go down this route or just didnt trust Labour to deliver their plan. If anyone is part of the blame - Labour's complete lack of opposition is a main factor in this
 
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