The next UKIP leader thread

Whilst politicians having punch ups in the European Parliament building are not the epitome of professionalism or good taste, I find a manly showdown infinitely preferable to one who buys a mysteriously financed flat round the corner from his home for homosexual drug fuelled acts with young rent boys whilst proclaiming family values.

For a party who many here dismiss as irrelevant this little shenanigans has certainly caused a lot of national debate :) Personally I doubt it has done UKIP anything like as much damage as some might wish.

When Labour have *** Choose your words carefully in future ** Diane Abbott placed as Shadow Home Secretary a bit of a school playground scuffle seems pretty innocuous ;) Calling UKIP racist thugs on the basis of this contretemps seems damned odd ***** as before ****** ;)
 
Chris Wilson said:
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To be frank, what on Earth has the race of somebody got to do with whether they are racist or not??

I agree statistically more people of non-white backgrounds seem to receive (or at least report) abuse based on their perceived race but it is entirely possible for somebody who identifies as being white to be racially abused! And that isn't just "lefty clap trap" or whatever it's simply facts. The mere suggestion that something racist couldn't have happened based purely on the fact that a person involved has a genetic background which makes his skin darker than the other is utterly preposterous.

While I don't disagree that a "little punch up" is probably not as bad as some of the utterly horrible things some other politicians have done and will do, it also shows a complete inability to be adult in the face of the very base thing a politician is supposed to be able to do... argue without resorting to a punch up... and one of the two was the very top ranked runner for leadership of UKIP. It says a whole lot about their general mentality.
 
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Before there are confusion emotes and quotes from some 'edit yourself dictionary' justifying why half-caste is acceptable:

Caste refers to different social groupings The term was born from a time where people of different races and social standings were categorised in different castes, these castes normally defined what privileges they would have. The term half caste referred to what was considered someone of a caste that was neither here nor there due to their mixed parentage. The term is no longer relevant and certainly should not be used to describe someones race.
 
Surely UKIP should naturally dissolve now that we are leaving the EU and all the foreigners will be out? What's their agenda if they plan to exist? I hardly see any.
 
Chris Wilson said:
What precisely is offensive about half caste, assuming this is the term you refer to? It's a perfectly accurate and currently used term for people of mixed race, I hear it in general usage and use it myself and have never had anyone take offence until now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste


Such precociousness....
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Avenged7Fold said:
Before there are confusion emotes and quotes from some 'edit yourself dictionary' justifying why half-caste is acceptable:
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Called it

Like i explained, it defines people as having lineage from mix castes as a result race. Race no longer determines what social caste you are in
 
mmj_uk said:
I've been watching BBC News and the presenter has spent best part of 15mins trying to get the guy involved in the rumoured altercation to admit he punched him, it's more like an interrogation than an interview.

The news is embarrassing these days.
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The presenter wouldn't need to interrogate him if the guy was man enough to admit what he'd done.
 
Chris Wilson said:
What precisely is offensive about half caste, assuming this is the term you refer to? It's a perfectly accurate and currently used term for people of mixed race, I hear it in general usage and use it myself and have never had anyone take offence until now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste
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The term 'half caste' has been considered offensive for at least the past 30 years.

Such precociousness....
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That word does not mean what you appear to think it means.
 
Evangelion said:
The term 'half caste' has been considered offensive for at least the past 30 years.



That word does not mean what you appear to think it means.
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I am much older than 30, I guess time flies!

And yes, you are of course quite correct, I meant to use the word preciousness, apologies. I am careless.
 
Posted this in the Labour thread as well, but some here may be interested as well - there was a Hartlepool Borough Council by-election yesterday while all this stuff withe Woolfe and Hookem was going on. Here are the results:

Headland & Harbour (Hartlepool) result:
UKIP: 49.2% (+49.2)
LAB: 25.3% (-17.7)
PHF: 15.4% (-20.3)
CON: 4.1% (-14.0)
PNP: 3.6%
IND: 2.6%
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PHF = Putting Hartlepool First
PNP = People Not Profits

The result doesn't mean an awful lot I admit, but it does mean something...
 
manic_man said:
To be frank, what on Earth has the race of somebody got to do with whether they are racist or not??

I agree statistically more people of non-white backgrounds seem to receive (or at least report) abuse based on their perceived race but it is entirely possible for somebody who identifies as being white to be racially abused! And that isn't just "lefty clap trap" or whatever it's simply facts. The mere suggestion that something racist couldn't have happened based purely on the fact that a person involved has a genetic background which makes his skin darker than the other is utterly preposterous.

While I don't disagree that a "little punch up" is probably not as bad as some of the utterly horrible things some other politicians have done and will do, it also shows a complete inability to be adult in the face of the very base thing a politician is supposed to be able to do... argue without resorting to a punch up... and one of the two was the very top ranked runner for leadership of UKIP. It says a whole lot about their general mentality.
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Havent you seen thkugh there is a large push from the left to redefine racism so rhay includes a groups "power".

A black person can ot be racist against a white person as the white person has systematic power and rhe black person does no
 
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