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It's wrong, the person should be the sex/gender or whatever you believe them to be/whatever they appear to be or said they were.
Court Case: woman tricked into sex with a woman pretending to be a man
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So basically you advocate complete honesty in a relationship.
Sadly I don't think that exists!
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When it concerns sex/gender there can be no doubt.
In context if I started talking to a girl and the girl was transgender, she should say so before anything became physical, anything else I would regard as a gross attack against who I am and at least sexual assault if a physical encounter had taken place.
In context if I started talking to a girl and the girl was transgender, she should say so before anything became physical, anything else I would regard as a gross attack against who I am and at least sexual assault if a physical encounter had taken place.
I'm inclined to agree with you, I really am but the pompous part of me wants to say that surely if you find their personality attractive and the physical attributes you can see, is that not what counts?
Is it a problem that 'she' used to have a penis?
I'm asking this from a hypothetical point as I would also be somewhat...peturbed!
Is it a problem that 'she' used to have a penis?
I'm asking this from a hypothetical point as I would also be somewhat...peturbed!
This whole case stinks to high heaven! 
Points of scepticism....
1. How did she heat up the object to internal body temperature so her so called victim did not clue up it was a little cold. It not easy to heat something to 30c +!
2. The smell, men and women smell totally different.
3. Why did victim not want to see a little or chew on a little ****!
4. The voice.
5. The lack of Addams apple.
The list is endless and if you believe the victim you will believe anything.
Points of scepticism....
1. How did she heat up the object to internal body temperature so her so called victim did not clue up it was a little cold. It not easy to heat something to 30c +!
2. The smell, men and women smell totally different.
3. Why did victim not want to see a little or chew on a little ****!
4. The voice.
5. The lack of Addams apple.
The list is endless and if you believe the victim you will believe anything.
Yeah this case was always weird. There would just be so many giveaways that i can't understand how any normal person wouldn't notice a lot of things wrong in the situationThis whole case stinks to high heaven!
Points of scepticism....
1. How did she heat up the object to internal body temperature so her so called victim did not clue up it was a little cold. It not easy to heat something to 30c +!
2. The smell, men and women smell totally different.
3. Why did victim not want to see a little or chew on a little ****!
4. The voice.
5. The lack of Addams apple.
The list is endless and if you believe the victim you will believe anything.
This whole case stinks to high heaven!
Points of scepticism....
5. The lack of Addams apple.
The list is endless and if you believe the victim you will believe anything.
I don't have an Adam's Apple...
(I do have a fully functioning dong though).
So if a lady who used to be a man is so passing, that you can't tell even after sex with her, you are that insecure about your attraction to biological/genetic gender, you think it should be a crime? If you can't tell after you've had sex with her, isn't it at that stage you think "ok she used to be a guy but how she's female and it doesn't matter what the situation down there was 5 years ago"?
No but there are psychological factors also.
What if you eventually wanted to have kids with this person? Only to find out they physically can't because they used to be male? Granted there are other means of having kids but you get the jist.
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Precisely, a lot of people count things like having biological children with their partner as a life goal. Imagine how much of a waste and a betrayal your relationship would feel like if you think that you have not worked towards that moment.
I will also add, it certainly is the business of the partner to know the persons biological sex. Even if they had a sex change, at the end of the day, no matter what that person identifies with, it does not change the fact that though others may tolerate their choices, it may not change how others think of them. Respecting someones sexual identity is just as important as respecting someones gender identity. In today's society people are becoming more tolerant of gender choices but identifying as a different gender does not change your sex biologically and in terms of having children or genetics, neither does an operation.
If i was hit on by a guy who looks like a bird, i would be freaked out when i found out. You can call me insecure but really that is no less ridiculous as calling an 'Ex male now Female' insecure for disliking it when they are treated like a bloke. I agree everyone should be tolerant of personal choices but that does not mean we have to accommodate them over our or anyone elses personal choices.
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Whatever a person feels they are is their personal business, I have no arguments against it. I identify as a male, biologically born male, heterosexual, I'm attracted to women, biologically born women who are heterosexual or bisexual for that matter and only those who have monogamous relationships.
It is my absolute right to not have someone change the rules by pretending to be something that they are not. I am not insecure, I have my preference as I am sure they also have theirs. They can be a woman if that is what they desire/need for their life to be as they want but they cannot lie about how they came to be a woman, that should count for all changes and combinations of gender.
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Fully agree
But if we are going to start disregarding other peoples sexual preference/identity in favour for our own personal identity, can someone kindly inform Alison Brie that i identify myself as a bloke who Alison Brie's are heavily attracted to.
Fully agree
But if we are going to start disregarding other peoples sexual preference/identity in favour for our own personal identity, can someone kindly inform Alison Brie that i identify myself as a bloke who Alison Brie's are heavily attracted to.
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Just to throw it out there, what about infertile women (or men)? Do they have a duty to declare? Before or after you first do the sex with them?
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Depends what your intentions are with each-other. If it is just a bit of fun, then there it is of little importance. If it is to eventually build a long term relationship, it is something that has to be discussed at one point.
So in the context of the trans with a straight bloke. If they are looking for a bit of fun, then it has to be declared as the straight blokes idea of that is hooking up with a biological female.
Here is an easy way to decide if you should say something or not. If you think the other person might feel its a big deal and that hiding it does make a difference, then yes, totally declare it. The situation really does not need any more dissecting than that. You shouldn't have to lie or hide something if it wont bother them and if it will bother them, then it is your duty to tell them. The argument of 'if they don't notice, then no harm done?' can be applied to any number of situations such as stealing from a rich person, stealing from a blind person or cheating on partner during a business trip. Relationships can change and so what was not important before may seem more important later.
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I'd say if it's just a bit of fun then the bloke is looking for boobs and fanny, if the trans person is post op then why would they declare anything?
In case the poor bloke catches The Gay.
never thought you'd be a rape apologist
say a girl starts dating a guy who has an identical twin she doesn't know about, he doesn't actually care much about her so let's his twin go round and have a go one night pretending to be him... rape by deception
in the case of a tranny you're not pretending to be a specific person but are pretending to be a person you're not in order to have sex with someone who wouldn't ordinarily consent. It isn't too uncommon and trans people do sometimes catch a beating if they try something like that (though more likely pre OP types - which is especially silly of them)
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They probably wouldn't but i do not think it is right. There is a difference between a bloke looking for fanny and boobs and a bloke looking for a biological woman. Some blokes are obviously okay with it and others are not, precisely for this reason you should tell them and respect their sexual identity.
You may not care if your partner went through a sex change but i would. Whether you call it insecure or whatever is irrelevant to the fact that is not what i am after and if the truth was known, i wouldn't have consented. Taking advantage of someones ignorance for sex is particularly abhorrent when it is done because the other person would flat out refuse if details were known.
You may not care if your partner went through a sex change but i would. Whether you call it insecure or whatever is irrelevant to the fact that is not what i am after and if the truth was known, i wouldn't have consented. Taking advantage of someones ignorance for sex is particularly abhorrent when it is done because the other person would flat out refuse if details were known.
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Where do you draw the line? A guy flashing some fake bling and talking the talk like he's minted and the next big thing when in reality he hasn't got a pot to pee in?
If I tell a girl I'm an airline pilot with a suitably dreamy masculine name (you pick), is it rape if we bone on that basis? What if really I'm a government appointed Badger culler, and she's a rampant vegan?