The next Labour leader thread

Blackjack Davy said:
You do realise the Guardian loves Corbyn, right? Sounds like you need to pick up the Morning Star or Pravda, comrades.
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When you start a post beginning "You do realise" then are, in effect, talking down to the person you are addressing in a patronising manner. Now this is fine if you know what you are on about (albeit a tad rude), however, if you are then saying something that is easily shown to be wrong then it no longer makes you look a tad rude but rather a tad stupid.
 
amigafan2003 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37526324?SThisFB

When people say labour are too left wing under Corbyn, look at the good it does. It forces the Tories to take a more centrist stance to take the fight to labour. The Tories understand the threat a left wing Labour pose to their party. Why can't the red Tories and the Blairites see that a centrist Labour just allows the Tories to slide further to the right. People keep calling for Labour to mount an effective opposition. That will only happen if it's a left wing opposition, not a Blairite centrist opposition.
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Yes absolutely correct a centrist Labour government would never win power and certainly never win power three times would they? Oh but wait........:p

Now I wonder when a left wing Labour government last won an election? :rolleyes:
 
amigafan2003 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37526324?SThisFB

When people say labour are too left wing under Corbyn, look at the good it does. It forces the Tories to take a more centrist stance to take the fight to labour. The Tories understand the threat a left wing Labour pose to their party. Why can't the red Tories and the Blairites see that a centrist Labour just allows the Tories to slide further to the right. People keep calling for Labour to mount an effective opposition. That will only happen if it's a left wing opposition, not a Blairite centrist opposition.
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Except Tories have a majority and while labour remains unelectable, Tories would likely win a larger majority. So itdies the opposite of what you say.
 
Faustus said:
Yes absolutely correct a centrist Labour government would never win power and certainly never win power three times would they? Oh but wait........:p

Now I wonder when a left wing Labour government last won an election? :rolleyes:
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You both have a piece of the puzzle each, but, as put, I agree -- doesn't it make the Tories more electable not Labour? Cameron's, like Tony's, legacy and programme in the party wasn't secure when he departed. Moreover due to recent political events, both contesting ideologies in their respective parties had got a free pass to reassert themselves with mixed results. Arguably, May and a few fundamentalists did a better job; whilst Brownites and Milibandists floundered, allowing Corbyn to come through as a political passenger more than a leader with a programme in his own right. Neither party is fully united, or ready, and silly populism is rampant; hence there's a false sense of confidence either side of the political spectrum. I don't share it. Sadly, only one force can benefit by default at present -- the incumbents in power.

Indeed, neither the immigration rhetoric from Umunna and Reeves (if they go down that route, it'll be worse for them than the fees issue for the Lib Dems) nor the budget from McDonnell (with Mason's at times unhelpful interventions from the sidelines; some of what he says is Labour policy, but not all of it) sound very coherent or convincing. Even if the calculating Blairite mind is there on the former and Labour's heart is there on the latter, without a clear and organised communications strategy -- let alone policy work and evidence -- these will be taken apart quickly by internal and external opponents. They have four years to shape up, with any luck.

Now, to unite and actually do something productive, I believe Labour must choose either the social or the economic axis to attack on whilst accepting compromise on the rest until Brexit is complete. Doing either too much or too little, giving ground to the lowest prejudices of the public, will be equally disastrous.
 
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chillidog said:
sorry to say i have been an labour voter for 35 yrs but this time i can't push myself to vote for them while Corbyn is at the top he just don't cut it for me
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I've been a fervent Labour supporter for 50 years but I'm afraid no more. Corbyn and his policies are just harking back to the early 1970s. He's in a time warp while the rest of the country has moved on.

Besides have you seen the people he surrounds himself with. Momentum, talk about a rent-a-mob. I doubt most of them own a pot to p - - - s in but have an unhealthy interest in anyone who does.

I dislike the Tories but dislike the Momentum lot even more. Len McCluskey is another dinosaur that needs to call it a day, for the sake of his members if nothing else.
 
One of his policies is to see an end to the £9 billion that the state hands out in Housing Benefit ending up in the pockets of private landlords.

Is that really a bad policy?
 
OldCoals said:
One of his policies is to see an end to the £9 billion that the state hands out in Housing Benefit ending up in the pockets of private landlords.

Is that really a bad policy?
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Well apart from the fact he wants to borrow billions to build new council houses for people who expect the state to house them and everyone else to pay for them.

When I see the feckless and financially irresponsible take on more personal responsibility and control of their lives I might have more sympathy. We need a new social contract where demanding self-entitlement has no place in society. When we have that then we can think about spending a few bob - not until.
 
Diane Abbott - Home Secretary ...

Lets let that hang for a moment ..

Diane ...Abbott ... Shadow Home Secretary .. one of the most sanctimonious, hypocritical MPs to have walked the earth ... as .... Shadow Home Secretary ... hoohohohohohohohohohohohohoho.

If Labour and Corbyns Leadership are not already a complete and utter laughing stock totally out of touch with the electorate, then surely this puts a cap on it.

The only thing more laughable than this would be George Galloway as Minister For Defense.

This is pure comedy gold. Am pretty sure the reshuffle is really the work of Armando Iannucci.
 
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Most people who hate on coybyn have not even watched him at pmq's they just take the terrified media's narrative that he's unelectable even though hes made the conservatives do more u-turns than any other leader and they've won quite a few by-elections
 
scorza said:
Another council by-election result, this time in Swanley, Kent:

Swanley (Kent) result:
CON: 32.4% (-8.6)
UKIP: 27.8% (+7.9)
LAB: 23.4% (-8.9)
LDEM: 16.4% (+16.4)
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So, the Tories AND Labour down by similar percentage points, decent increase for UKIP - massive swing to Lib Dems.

EDIT:- Lib Dems didn't stand a candidate in 2013, so that explains the big swing.
 
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