Do Space Aliens really exist?

[Avenged7Fold]

How is he patronising? He's simply educating the public on factual science. I don't find him patronising at all. Are you religious?

*Sigh* it was a response to

I have seen him on TV and watched iPlayer with him presenting, but he comes across as a condescending little ****.

I don't find him patronising, i am saying he is AS patronising as someone in his position would be when educating at a much lower level in his specialised subject. He cant exactly act as if he is surprised and and inspired when he is talking about simple stuff.

As for the religious comment, i am agnostic. The vast majority of people i met as a researcher in physics were also agnostic, rather than athiest or anti-thiest. Religion really has no place in Physics and neither does being anti-religion. There are many religions that say they refute science but tbh faith is what one makes of it. I even met a handful of fairly pious catholic Physicists, piety does not necessarily mean taking it word for word. What point are you trying to make?

Your statement silver is pretty much a condensed form of what i said but for some reason it raised some of your hairs .

 

[Sliver]

As for the religious comment, i am agnostic.

No you are an atheist but clearly you don't realise it. By refuting the theistic claim that a god exists you are automatically defined as an atheist. Agnosticism is about knowledge not belief. Atheism is about belief. If you refuse the theistic argument that a god exists then you are by definition an atheist.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I believe that we cannot know or find out about the existence of a god, nor can we disprove it. What i firmly believe is that whether god exists or not, it is irrelevant to our actions on earth.

I don't deny his existence.

That makes me agnostic. This form of agnosticism overlaps with aspects of being an atheist but it does not share the core value of being an atheist, which is refuting the existence of a higher being.

What has this got to do with my statements on Brian Cox or Physics?

 

[Sliver]

I believe that we cannot know or find out about the existence of a god, nor can we disprove it. What i firmly believe is that whether god exists or not, it is irrelevant to our actions on earth.

I don't deny his existence.

That makes me agnostic. This form of agnosticism overlaps with aspects of being an atheist but it does not share the core value of being an atheist, which is refuting the existence of a higher being.

What has this got to do with my statements on Brian Cox or Physics?

Nonsense. You need to read up on more science.

 

[Trusty]

but scientifically there is a more than moderate chance of some form of the whole simulation thing.

Yea, i just dont buy it though. For me to change my view, there would have to be as much evidence as evolution or something.

 

[Rroff]

Nonsense. You need to read up on more science.

? Science is pretty silent on whether God or god or whatever exists or not.

 

[Glaucus]

? Science is pretty silent on whether God or god or whatever exists or not.

kind of, a theoretical god.
however not the case for gods that are common. like Christianity, many aspects of which can and have been put to the test. Many of which done by religious foundations who then try to hide the results.

we know plenty about the origins and miss translations of such books, that prayer does not work (been scientifically tested many times), regardless of who or how you pray etc.

there is plenty within main religion which absolutely be tested by science. 6000 year old planet is one of them. the order of which the universe arrived and many many other things.

its a myth a very well achieved myth, by religious enterprises that has wormed its way into scientists atheists and the rest of the population, an absolutely successful spin campaign. with dangerous results and this myth absolutely needs money spending on it to break the bonds.

its a shame atheists/skeptical groups are small and lack funding. Although they have done some great work. they've stopped nhs using homeopathy treatments in certain areas and with that win, it should be easy to push the ruling to all areas of uk.

 

[Sliver]

? Science is pretty silent on whether God or god or whatever exists or not.

There is no evidence for a God. Science however proves empirical truths.

 

[itchy]

Yea, i just dont buy it though. For me to change my view, there would have to be as much evidence as evolution or something.

You never ever touch anything in your life and you don't actually exist so why do you need evidence.

We could be anything from complex beings to letter box poo.

Until we find the true meaning of existence and how quantum physics works then only then can we quantifiably define ourselves.

 

[Trusty]

You never ever touch anything in your life and you don't actually exist so why do you need evidence.

What do you mean i've never touched anything and i don't actually exist? it's going above my head tbh, i'm not sure which angle youre tryiing to pursue.

Until we find the true meaning of existence and how quantum physics works then only then can we quantifiably define ourselves.

We can define ourselves, that's for the individual to discover, you may not know why you exist but i do. The meaning of life isn't for science to discover, that is a spiritual thing for the individual to explore.

 

[Glaucus]

the first bit I think he means this
http://futurism.com/why-you-can-never-actually-touch-anything/

the you don't exist thing, no idea.

 

[itchy]

the first bit I think he means this
http://futurism.com/why-you-can-never-actually-touch-anything/

the you don't exist thing, no idea.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/why-life-does-not-really-exist/

TL;DR

End piece....

Truthfully, that which we call life is impossible without and inseparable from what we regard as inanimate. If we could somehow see the underlying reality of our planet—to comprehend its structure on every scale simultaneously, from the microscopic to the macroscopic—we would see the world in innumerable grains of sand, a giant quivering sphere of atoms. Just as one can mold thousands of practically identical grains of sand on a beach into castles, mermaids or whatever one can imagine, the innumerable atoms that make up everything on the planet continually congregate and disassemble themselves, creating a ceaselessly shifting kaleidoscope of matter. Some of those flocks of particles would be what we have named mountains, oceans and clouds; others trees, fish and birds. Some would be relatively inert; others would be changing at inconceivable speed in bafflingly complex ways. Some would be roller coasters and others cats.

 

[Trusty]

the first bit I think he means this
http://futurism.com/why-you-can-never-actually-touch-anything/

the you don't exist thing, no idea.

I had a feeling he was talking about atoms and the how they are mostly compromised of empty space. I'm not that arsed about this sort of stuff tbh. If you were hit by a bus and killed, i'm not sure that view has any real meaning. If you study the quantum world, i suppose you'd have to ask these questions though. I'm probably not explaining myself very well, apologies.

 

[Glaucus]

you do like a lot of long winded hard to understand stuff don't you.

or the counter to such articles, life isn't anything special and the line between life and inanimate is extremely blurred, with no real boundary, just ever increasing complexity.

you even post in a way which is nigh on impossible to understand, I wonder why that is.

 

[Rroff]

kind of, a theoretical god.
however not the case for gods that are common. like Christianity, many aspects of which can and have been put to the test. Many of which done by religious foundations who then try to hide the results.

we know plenty about the origins and miss translations of such books, that prayer does not work (been scientifically tested many times), regardless of who or how you pray etc.

there is plenty within main religion which absolutely be tested by science. 6000 year old planet is one of them. the order of which the universe arrived and many many other things.

its a myth a very well achieved myth, by religious enterprises that has wormed its way into scientists atheists and the rest of the population, an absolutely successful spin campaign. with dangerous results and this myth absolutely needs money spending on it to break the bonds.

its a shame atheists/skeptical groups are small and lack funding. Although they have done some great work. they've stopped nhs using homeopathy treatments in certain areas and with that win, it should be easy to push the ruling to all areas of uk.

Nothing in the bible suggests that prayer will be directly answered - likewise there is nothing in the bible that actually directly implies the 6000 year thing or evolution, etc. which are either mistaken literally translations or dreamed up by certain branches of Christianity. Personally I think the bible is likely a load of garbage and even if there was anything to it originally there is plenty of evidence that it has been perverted by the agendas of individuals over the years by anyone who looks with an open mind. But there is a huge amount of misunderstanding and misconception by people on both sides of the fence many trying to prove a point from their own agenda rather than completely objectively.

There is no evidence for a God. Science however proves empirical truths.

But at the same time as a subject science (so far) largely has no "opinion" on the existence or even likelihood of god.

 

[Glaucus]

Nothing in the bible suggests that prayer will be directly answered - likewise there is nothing in the bible that actually directly implies the 6000 year thing or evolution, etc. which are either mistaken literally translations or dreamed up by certain branches of Christianity. Personally I think the bible is likely a load of garbage and even if there was anything to it originally there is plenty of evidence that it has been perverted by the agendas of individuals over the years by anyone who looks with an open mind. But there is a huge amount of misunderstanding and misconception by people on both sides of the fence many trying to prove a point from their own agenda rather than completely objectively.

nope, but some prayers shoud be awsered and they aren't. therefore you look for a statistical increase. which has been tested many times and always comes back negative.

and no, not everyone believes the 6000, but every single religion/denomination has such things that very much can be tested with science and they always come back negative.

which is why mainstream religion can be countered with science, but a theoretical all powerful god, not based on any of the religions, science has no interest in.

 

[itchy]

I had a feeling he was talking about atoms and the how they are mostly compromised of empty space. I'm not that arsed about this sort of stuff tbh. If you were hit by a bus and killed, i'm not sure that view has any real meaning. If you study the quantum world, i suppose you'd have to ask these questions though. I'm probably not explaining myself very well, apologies.

No need to apologise its strange stuff that's for sure.

So if you think about it. If our world is that crazy, we could not comprehend what an aliens structure or view of us, time and physics are.

Point is, not all is as it seems to all of us hence we as humans are bit thick on loads of things that don't make sense. I blame reliance on time but thats my personal opinion.

Aliens on the other hand maybe onto all that **** and have used it to better themselves and to travel the stars.

 

[Rroff]

nope, but some prayers shoud be awsered and they aren't. therefore you look for a statistical increase. which has been tested many times and always comes back negative.

and no, not everyone believes the 6000, but every single religion/denomination has such things that very much can be tested with science and they always come back negative.

which is why mainstream religion can be countered with science, but a theoretical all powerful god, not based on any of the religions, science has no interest in.

Should they be answered? that would assume to know what God's plan was (assuming such existed). For an entity like a god things would be very different in perspective to what mattered to us.

 

[Glaucus]

Should they be answered? that would assume to know what God's plan was (assuming such existed). For an entity like a god things would be very different in perspective to what mattered to us.

religion do say they know what gods plan is and what a god does and doesn't do. so yes they should be scrutinised.

if your going for a non religious god, then of course science doesn't care. But that's not what 99.9999% of people who have faith believe.

again you cant disprove a god, you can disprove every majour religion, via multiple avenues.

 

[Rroff]

religion do say they know what gods plan is and what a god does and doesn't do. so yes they should be scrutinised.

I think you are missing my point.