Friend getting done for fly tipping - be warned!

[Greebo]

A van and £7.20 an hour, about £80 day total expenses for 1 bloke to go around picking up fly tipping, or spend thousands on taking someone to court who will be found not guilty.

Some councils have gangs on men, full time going around collecting fly tipping rubbish all year round. That's everybody else's council tax money.

Again, most fly tipping court prosecutions are successful. After all they dont need much proof as I have already stated and like you said, the majority of people never carry out the legal checks they are meant to and just wing it so once the trash is proved to be yours due to name and addresses its game over.

I suspect with £5k fines the council are up money wise on court cases.

And lets face it, you will never do it again if stung like that will you?

n 2014/15, the estimated cost of clearance of fly-tipping to local authorities in England was nearly £50 million and it costs local authorities in Wales nearly £2 million per year. Various sources have estimated the cost of fly-tipping on private land as between £50 - £150 million a year

so about £200 million a year because people don't take responsibility for their waste? What could £200 million be better spent on? So its a bit more than a man with a van for £80 a day.

And worse than that is that its increasing, last few years has seen 11 to 20% per year increases which is why the councils will push for a prosecution and are cracking down hard on it. £50m cost this year will be £60m next year and on and on it goes.

I can only find stats for Wales but last year there was 108 prosecutions and 108 wins. I assume the council only prosecutes when they are pretty sure they will win.

Most cases are dealt with a fixed penalty notice of £400 - 713 in total, which is what your friend will probably get let off with.

If they take her to court I suspect it will be because she has lied, tried to cover it up, get out of it rather than just admitting her guilt and apologising.

 

[Haggisman]

And lets face it, you will never do it again if stung like that will you?

I dunno... If I was fined £5k for fly tipping when I actually hadn't, i'd make sure I got my money's worth

 

[Scam]

This is what i am stuck on also, if some random bloke turned up did she pay him? Nobody is just going to stop and pick up some womans rubbish and not be paid?

Well he did. She definitely did not pay him. He must have thought there was something valuable in there.

well throwing documents away with your address on and not recycling for a start

Read the thread. There was no documents in there, just boxes with her address on.

I don't see how the law is flawed.

Let's try this another way. Let's ignore the fact she was expecting someone to collect the rubbish and instead she caught a guy stealing the rubbish from her front garden. If she hadn't have caught him she wouldn't have even known. Then he dumps it. So you're saying it's entirely fair that she gets taken to court over it? Come on, try again. This thread is going very GD now.

 

[esoteric]

With everything else responsibility ends when it leaves our possession or premises, this should be no different with our rubbish.

I'm sorry some scumbags out there dump rubbish but it's not our fault or the OP's friends fault. I'm sure if this bloke said he's gunna take the rubbish 5 miles out of London and tip it on the motorway she would have told him to **** off.

 

[Dis86]

With everything else responsibility ends when it leaves our possession or premises, this should be no different with our rubbish.

No it doesn't.

 

[asim18]

This is what i am stuck on also, if some random bloke turned up did she pay him? Nobody is just going to stop and pick up some womans rubbish and not be paid?

It happens all the time. They take your rubbish take out the scrap metal and dump the rest.

If they come and say "hey we just want the metal" then the owner will probably tell them to **** off. Which is why they usually offer to take the whole load and then pick out the metal later.

 

[esoteric]

No it doesn't.

Two times you disagree and two times without basis. If you know better then tell us. The suspense is killing me, show me the jury that will find me guilty without provable evidence that I was the one who did it. If I go to Natwest and use the tapout and later that night it's done over, was I the one who did it because my finger prints are on it?

 

[Dis86]

Two times you disagree and two times without basis. If you know better then tell us. The suspense is killing me, show me the jury that will find me guilty without provable evidence that I was the one who did it. If I go to Natwest and use the tapout and later that night it's done over, was I the one who did it because my finger prints are on it?

Because it's complete and utter crap.

I plant a bomb. From your absolute fail at logic because it's no longer in my possession it's fine. Not my problem.

 

[asim18]

Because it's complete and utter crap.

I plant a bomb. From your absolute fail at logic because it's no longer in my possession it's fine. Not my problem.

But the woman in OP's post didn't plant 'the bomb' herself though did she?

With everything else responsibility ends when it leaves our possession or premises, this should be no different with our rubbish.

On this point I agree with Dis86, people should always be responsible for their own rubbish and there needs to be more done to make sure everyone knows their rubbish is their responsibility, to stop cases where sheer ignorance/carelessness gets otherwise good natured people in a pickle.

 

[Dis86]

Let's try this another way. Let's ignore the fact she was expecting someone to collect the rubbish and instead she caught a guy stealing the rubbish from her front garden. If she hadn't have caught him she wouldn't have even known. Then he dumps it. So you're saying it's entirely fair that she gets taken to court over it? Come on, try again. This thread is going very GD now.

It is her responsibility to ensure it's disposed of properly. Simple as that. She failed in that duty.

She had the responsibility to see that it was collected by someone authorised to dispose of it. Did she do that? No. No she did not. If I had a load of rubbish in my garden (I do) and it disappeared, I'd be reporting it first thing.

 

[Dis86]

But the woman in OP's post didn't plant the bomb though did she?

Asim, you're trying to be clever and failing yet again. Read the ******* posts.

 

[asim18]

Asim, you're trying to be clever and failing yet again. Read the ******* posts.

Whoa, calm down dear.

All I'm saying is that there is another person involved here! And it is absolutely true and correct that the woman did not actually go and dump it there herself. There is a serious scammer involved here who will continue to do this to other people, how can you even deny that?

If you even read the other half of the post I actually agreed with you that people should be responsible for their waste, but that doesn't mean that this guy who dumped the rubbish on her behalf doesn't exist lol.

 

[esoteric]

Because it's complete and utter crap.

I plant a bomb. From your absolute fail at logic because it's no longer in my possession it's fine. Not my problem.

heh.. and I have the fail logic. You planted the bomb and you left it so it's on you, she did not plant the rubbish and I'm betting the council didn't give her an option to remove the items with her name on before filing a case with the court.

 

[Dis86]

Whoa, calm down dear.

All I'm saying is that there is another person involved here! And it is absolutely true and correct that the woman did not actually go and dump it there herself. There is a serious scammer involved here who will continue to do this to other people, how can you even deny that?

If you even read the other half of the post I actually agreed with you that people should be responsible for their waste, but that doesn't mean that this guy who dumped the rubbish on her behalf doesn't exist lol.

There was no other half. Like all your posts you edit them!

 

[Dis86]

heh.. and I have the fail logic. You planted the bomb and you left it so it's on you, she did not plant the rubbish and I'm betting the council didn't give her an option to remove the items with her name on before filing a case with the court.

She did plant the rubbish. She then allowed someone else to take it. Whether her name is on it is irrelevant Just because it doesn't have your name on it doesn't make it ok you know!

 

[asim18]

I wouldn't worry about Dis86's rants.

He's already lost his marbles just by me saying something very basic and factually correct. The fact that she didn't take the rubbish there herself is undeniable, yet is still denied.

Always self-conscious about cleverness for some reason too

 

[asim18]

There was no other half. Like all your posts you edit them!

But then the first half is still remains factually correct even if you disregard our shared opinion that people are, and should be more responsible.

There was another party involved. This is a fact. And all I'm saying is that it is unfair if this guy gets away with a scam even though the woman was careless.

 

[esoteric]

She did plant the rubbish. She then allowed someone else to take it. Whether her name is on it is irrelevant Just because it doesn't have your name on it doesn't make it ok you know!

Right, so someone took it away so any reasonable responsibility left when the rubbish left her possession and premises. Should I follow my dustbin lorry on it's shift to make sure all my rubbish makes it to the dump?

Like it or not, she has done nothing wrong or illegal personally.

 

[Kenai]

Right, so someone took it away so any reasonable responsibility left when the rubbish left her possession and premises. Should I follow my dustbin lorry on it's shift to make sure all my rubbish makes it to the dump?

Like it or not, she has done nothing wrong or illegal personally.

Well she has, if the law deems that her reasonable responsibilities were to ensure her waste is taken by an appropriately licensed carrier, not just let anyone take it.

Your dustbin lorry will be licensed but because it's a regular service, it's not considered reasonable for you to need to check the license weekly.

 

[asim18]

Well she has, if the law deems that her reasonable responsibilities were to ensure her waste is taken by an appropriately licensed carrier, not just let anyone take it.

Are these 'appropriately licensed carriers' given identification/credentials by the council? What does a genuine one look like? (genuine question)

If they don't have any official identification/credentials then the system is simply open to misrepresentation by anyone who is willing to call themselves waste disposers.