Yeah i said in an earlier post that fly tippers still want ~£20 unless there is a significant scrap metal value they then may take it for free, there are plenty of these guys where i live.
Friend getting done for fly tipping - be warned!
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Yeah i said in an earlier post that fly tippers still want ~£20 unless there is a significant scrap metal value they then may take it for free, there are plenty of these guys where i live.
I don't mean in the metal sense, no.
boxes with her address on that could be recycled - read the reply properly
why did she need someone to take away cardboard boxes? Also addresses don't tend to be printed on boxes but printed on delivery slips or labels attached to the side of boxes... in the case of delivery slips these are 'documents'
lesson to be learned - don't be lazy - recycle... shred stuff with your address on
and when someone turns up to collect your rubbish then you later realise they're not the right person - report it
fact is the whole story sounds very fishy - why would someone want to steal her rubbish and if they were stealing it for say scrap metal why would they want the cardboard boxes? sounds more like she's been a bit naive and given her rubbish to a dodgy builder/waste collector - you again haven't mentioned anything about what happened when the legit waste collector turned up later - you know the licensed guy who might well have warned her about fly tipping when he learned what had happened...
Your story has a few holes in it and I think your friend might well end up with a fine here which isn't necessarily undeserved.
Indeed, the whole story sounds a bit Moe, Larry, and Curly to me.
"Stole her rubbish" Best I've heard yet
e: Just like to add, i do not wish the worst outcome for the woman.
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Her fault tbh next time get a better class of builder 
This is the stupid thing. She believed the guy collecting the waste was the builder's guy. Had she not found out it wasn't, the blame would be on the builder. But because she found out later that wasn't the builders guy, now she's to blame? How does that work then?
Can you go into more detail on this? did the actual disposal guy turn up later that day? if the builder is paying some Johnny foreigner to illegally dump peoples rubbish he's not going to admit to it being his guy. I find it highly coincidental and hard to believe that some random guy turns up on the day it's meant to be collected and just takes her stuff.
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I agree someone just does not turn up and do this for free.
Sound like said above the builder is trying to pull a fast one.
Sound like said above the builder is trying to pull a fast one.
This is all going very GD isn't it. The no-empathy, send 'em back brigade are in full force
She provided the council with a description of the guy and van. Or are we now leaning into stories where your stuff hasn't been stolen unless the act was caught on CCTV?
You're making stuff up. She had a legitimate builder with a contract and paperwork. I'm sure it was all checked. No, she didn't check the guy's paperwork who turned up, presumably because she was too busy on the phone trying to call the builder to check if he was the guy.
You're not reading again. She doesn't live in Buckinghamshire.
I presume like most builders you leave them to it and let them put all their rubbish together to be taken away at the same time. Regardless of type.
I don't know what happened to the legit guy to be honest. I presume once she got hold of the builder and they realised the guy who took it wasn't legit and cancelled the other guy. I don't know. It's my story that's got holes in, not hers I'm sure.
given that you don't know I'm not sure you can sure... the story as it stands is very dubious - someone stealing rubbish (including stealing cardboard boxes???) which they then dump/flytip anyway... on the same day that the 'legit' guy was supposed to turn up
Yeah that is the big elephant in the room. What happened when the builder's guy turned up later?
So it could well be that he was the builders guy and the builder is just covering his own back for obvious reasons. I'm not sure how that would help in court but the builder must have had a contract with someone to remove her stuff and there'll be a paper trail? unless he's giving back handers to foreigners of course...
So she did check the builder was a licenced waster carrier then?
So she got it half right and that will be taken into account with her fine.
But your second point is flawed. Because she needs paperwork for the waste disposal if the second guy had it, she would know he was legit and from the builder. If he had proper paperwork and not from the builder, one quick freephone call would have verified his licence.
But now you are saying she was on the phone to the builder to see if this guy was his guy and just let him take the waste away anyway even though she hadnt got hold of the builder? Rubbish.
Why would she be concerned this guy wasnt from the builder if he turned up at the allotted time?
Unfortunately for your friend, she didnt do what was legally required of her and will more than likely be fined.
Well I'm pretty sure she got hold of the builder before the whole fly tipping thing emerged (the council got hold of her about a month after the event). So why would he be covering his own back when she phoned him the same day the rubbish was taken?
Yes, like I've been saying from the start as far as I know she used an established builder with a known track record and credentials.
Firstly, who has the freephone number to hand? Seriously now.
I have always said she phoned the builder to check. The reason being the guy who turned up didn't speak very good (if at all) English. So I'm guessing she was suspicious. When she couldn't get hold of the builder she decided that the guy was probably the builder's guy (let's remember he's turned up when expected). In any case, as a single woman in London with a builder-esque looking guy that doesn't speak English, what is she going to do to stop him? Start an argument on her own? Calling the police would be a major over-reaction with the info that she had to hand. ("Hi police, yes I'm expecting a guy to take my rubbish but he's turned up and doesn't speak English"). So she left him to it, imagining that yes he probably was the right guy. After all, who steals rubbish? When she finally got hold of the builder they must have figured out it wasn't the builder's guy. So the actual guy was cancelled.
I don't claim to know every intricate detail but that's how I feel it went down.
I know its difficult to accept, but it was the builders guy or the person that guy then passed it onto.
That is the most likely explanation.
Somewhere along the line, someone took the cheap option of handing it off to the lowest bidder.
That is the most likely explanation.
Somewhere along the line, someone took the cheap option of handing it off to the lowest bidder.
But she trusted that the alleged 'thief' who seemingly was happy to steal cardboard boxes with her name and address on would dispose of them responsibly. I mean what did she think would happen to all the junk he took? She doesn't seem to be too bright.
Again thats not the answer though. Just because he is an established builder with a known track record and credentials does not mean she has checked his waste carriers licence. She might have read his testimonials, researched him on builders websites, gone to see his other jobs etc. Doesn't mean his waste licence though. If she had she would have the number to hand and also know about what checks she needed to do and the paperwork......
I suspect 95% to 99% of joe public never ask or check their builder's waste carriers licence.
Im not been a **** but clearly she has been unlucky in so far as she wasnt aware about the whole waste thing and what her responsibilities were and she has got caught out by a bogus waste collector.
But at least she now knows for the future and will make sure next time
Because he won't admit to illegally paying some bloke to illegally dump some rubbish regardless. If he'd said on the phone when she called him that yes it was his guy he'd probably be involved in the case now and having to explain who he employed to discard her rubbish and if that was some foreigner being given a backhander he'd be in a lot of trouble. I'd be trying to point blame at the builder, just because he said it wasn't his guy on the phone doesn't mean that it wasn't. If it wasn't the builders guy and they did indeed cancel the collection at the last minute then he or the company he employed should have paper work to prove it.
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