The instigator of what?
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The instigator of what?
Nato has built bases all around russia as well. Very intimidating.
Russia also control the gas flow for most of europe and have vast natural resources.
but none of this is related to each other, obviously.
correct - NATO bases have very little to do with the fact Russia happens to have natural resources.... the fact Russia has a strong military, is a nuclear power and still has fragile relations with the West is however related to the need for NATO and their bases
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So what do you reckon.
a) An impressive show of force by the Putinator?
b) A rerun of scrap heap challenge with aging ships that, while as a reasonable platform for launching attacks on middle east ** not appropriate ** armed only with AK47's, A type 45 destroyer would be capable of sinking the entire fleet within 10 minutes if the decision was made to go in with all guns blazing (Metaphorically speaking)
In a modern conflict, you would never send a destroyer in by itself or even in a group to sink other ships. It would be done at long distance with anti shipping missiles. For smaller targets these would probably be strafed by aircraft or hit by laser guided bombs.
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as people have posted
Aircraft carriers are seriously expensive to make, in the tone of billions. And it is primarily an offensive weapon as well. I doubt Russia can afford to make a modern one at this moment of time, so has to make do with what it has.
They do have some brilliant fighter jets though, as well as new tanks I heard they are producing. Our navy is still better though I would say
They do have some brilliant fighter jets though, as well as new tanks I heard they are producing. Our navy is still better though I would say
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the big issue with the Russkies is that they wont stop until they conquer your capital city....
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It is my understanding that a Type 45 has incredible fire-power at its disposal.
More than a typical WW2 squadron.
Duncan or Dragon would actually be capable of destroying the entire Russian fleet in a single attack. (A single type 45 can engage as many targets as half a dozen type 42's! six 1980's Soviet era warships should be no problem at all!)
Whether She would survive the inevitable counter attack however is a different matter. I wouldn't want to be on board a destroyer that had launched such an attack.
Modern Warships have very limited defensive capabilities (IE No Armour) If any incoming gets past the defensive guns/missiles they are highly likely to be destroyed.
The UK navy is at the worst on par with the russian navy, not to mention that as of 2020 we will have two state of the art aircraft carriers with the HMS prince of wales and the HMS queen elizabeth bolstering our naval capabilities exponentially..
You also have to factor in the gargantuan power of our closest allies the USA, with its already active 10 aircraft carriers and 430 ships, not to mention an unknown number of submarines.
"As of August 2016, there are 77 commissioned ships in the Royal Navy. 19 of the commissioned vessels are major surface combatants (six guided missile destroyers and 13 frigates) and 11 are nuclear-powered submarines (four ballistic missile submarines and seven fleet submarines). In addition the Navy possesses a landing platform helicopter, two amphibious transport docks, 15 mine countermeasures vessels, 22 patrol vessels, four survey vessels, one icebreaker and two historic warships (Victory and Bristol)."
More big bad Rusky threads. Funny how the US sails through China's claimed waters, flies through claimed airspace deliberately to antagonise and here on oCuk barely a peep. The Russians bring a little of their navy through and "zomg! Russia is starting its nuclear attack now!!!!"
Nice to know the media is doing its work.
Nice to know the media is doing its work.
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sad but true
Russia have almost finished the Sarmat, aka Satan 2. As far as I can see this missle is pretty much unstoppable, correct me if I'm wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat
Won't do anything to change the balance of power, US Titan ICBM's are on-par in terms of power but not as advanced, each of russia's nuclear subs are closely tracked and followed 24/7 365 days a year and the US has intelligence on what can be considered all of their nuclear silo's and launch spots.
The US has the ability to wipe russias capabilities out in moments if need be, and with russia's crippled economy they haven't got the ability to bolster their naval or air forces. They are using out-dated and decrepit throwbacks to the soviet union.
Type 45 might be able to - the current anti-missile platform has proven to be potentially capable of countering targets upwards of mach 7 with upgrades coming that could significantly improve that.
Our land based systems though have like 4 mile range and would be utterly useless.
The US is another matter.
Yes and no.
Carriers are, as the US would say, 4 acres of sovereign territory anywhere on the planet. Unfortunately they are also a big expensive metal box stuffed to the top with very expensive toys.
It is not enough to have a carrier, you also need the fleet of destroyers, frigates and HK submarines to protect it! (The job of a Frigate basically is to get in the way of incoming and take a hit for the team!
)I welcome our new carriers, I am however concerned that our politicians may not have the will to provide them with the support fleets that are required to make them effective and keep them safe.
Could that be to do with the fact that China "claims" everything within about 7000 miles (slight exaggeration) of its borders, and the US is pointing out that they're perfectly justified sailing through international waters (having several strategically placed bases in the area themselves)?
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Yes, you're right. RoahNS however is a diligent eastern bloc supporter however so they can do no evil in his eyes.
The UK will have known this was coming for months. The Russians will have notified relevant parties. Everyone involved needs to do a bit of posturing just so the Russians know they can't move so close without being monitored.
I think the media make it all seem far more dramatic than it really is.
I think the media make it all seem far more dramatic than it really is.
Not true, I just think the US is the biggest threat to world peace. When the Russians behave in the same way the US does they will draw my criticism and annoyance.
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