France empties the Calais Jungle

timebomb26 said:
Again though, once you look past the Daily Mail (and the like) headlines, this doesn't really make much sense.

A report from the Office for National Statistics published early in the year said that migrants paid more than £3bn in to the system, whilst only claiming £0.5bn.
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I don't read the Daily Mail (and the likes) - Please don't assume.

I don't doubt migrants already here in the U.K pay into the system, but please don't imply that someone is going to go from living in a tent in France and then come to the UK and instantly start paying into the system (which still doesn't mean they are entitled to everything) - because that simply isn't the case and I'd be concerned if you are that naive to think that.
 
Mynight said:
If that's the requirements for being a SJW these days idiocracy is closer to being a prediction than a movie :(.



Honestly I have little clue about the legal process of it. If this is the entrance method they have chosen I imagine the legal process to be less than ideal. I imagine it's the sort of thing you'd need a lawyer for, not really in a lot of their means or they'd have done it.

I'm far from the take everyone camp but I struggle to believe that everyone there is nothing but a dirty scrounger.
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A lawyer, I've never needed a lawyer to make travel arrangements. Admittedly I have also never decided to go and work in another country. I was of course referring to them using legal means from their country of origin, not the jungle.
 
Well you didn't say that so given the topic I presumed Calais sorry. Well no to work in another country for the UK is relatively simple. Assuming you have no criminal background and have enough funds to fund yourself/already have a job lined up then the process doesn't require a lawyer. As for moving from the middle east to here I have no clue but I would be happy to bet it's not as simple as us moving elsewhere.

Avenged7Fold said:
Thats the thing, i think very few of us are of the take everyone camp. Certainly no poster i have seen on OCuk but its hard not to play devils advocate to these 'OCuk Alphas' when they think everyone left of 'let all them scroungers whither and die' is an SJW.
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I must admit I hate how the term SJW has been morphed into meaning something similar to that these days.

I miss when SJW was reserved for those who made trigglypuff look sane.
 
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Agreed. If there was a catch the all answer, it would've been implemented by now. Sadly there isn't, which is why these people are in the situation they're in. I don't doubt for one second that there are freeloaders amongst them but you can't tell me that they're all looking for a free ride. I suspect that most just want a better life which I think we'd all give them if we had the space and resourses, but sadly we don't. It's a very tricky situation for all involved, there are humanitarian issues at play and the lines are so blurred that they are pretty much invisible, so what do we do? I wish I had an answer but like everyone else, I don't.
 
An Ethiopian woman one of the few females was gang raped yesterday just before the anarchists burnt the place down.

Lily Allen busily digging herself into an even bigger hole has now proclaimed that the pictures of the middle aged children were deliberately leaked by the Govt. to make people hate migrants.
She said :
Brits being manipulated in the same way Germans fell for Hitler’s propaganda, allowing Nazis into power.
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HoneyBadger said:
I don't read the Daily Mail (and the likes) - Please don't assume.

I don't doubt migrants already here in the U.K pay into the system, but please don't imply that someone is going to go from living in a tent in France and then come to the UK and instantly start paying into the system (which still doesn't mean they are entitled to everything) - because that simply isn't the case and I'd be concerned if you are that naive to think that.
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Well obviously it will take time for them to settle, integrate and start contributing to the system. Short term hit for long term gains.

But just ignoring them and continually moving them on isn't really a solution is it?
 
timebomb26 said:
Again though, once you look past the Daily Mail (and the like) headlines, this doesn't really make much sense.

A report from the Office for National Statistics published early in the year said that migrants paid more than £3bn in to the system, whilst only claiming £0.5bn.
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If they're coming over as assylum seekers or refugees, until their case is processed (which could take years), they aren't allowed to work, so I don't see how they'll be putting in more than they're taking out; for a long, long while.
 
timebomb26 said:
Well obviously it will take time for them to settle, integrate and start contributing to the system. Short term hit for long term gains.

But just ignoring them and continually moving them on isn't really a solution is it?
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I'm curious as to what the long term gains will be? Contributing to the system and paying everyones pensions? Pushing the problem down the line isn't an answer either, what happens when they themselves become pensioners? More mass immigration?
 
Well I for one am really glad this disgusting place is being emptied. I'm a warehouse manager in NE England and the amount of damaged deliveries we receive that have had to drive through Calais is unbelievable. Drivers arriving at our place who've been attacked with bats, robbed, delayed because the migrants created road blocks, damaged curtain sides on the trailers I get dozens a week. Inside the trailer the goods are damaged with urine, feces or just trodden on and wrote off.
Every single time I ask the drivers how many woman and children did you see and they always reply 'none'. And they all also say that the French police just stood there and did nothing.
So from my point of view good riddance to this camp.
 
For me the biggest problem isn't financial, because, and let's be 100% honest here, we could easily afford to take every one of those migrants in. Provided the majority work and contribute, it'd be an easy job.

For me the biggest problem is cultural. These people come from countries where women are only slightly above cattle in the respect stakes. Stoning people is considered a suitable punishment for theft. Public humiliation is acceptable to them. They are quite literally decades and in some cases centuries behind our culture so their chance of proper integration is so small that they'll end up in jail before they "break even" financially.
 
albert said:
Well I for one am really glad this disgusting place is being emptied. I'm a warehouse manager in NE England and the amount of damaged deliveries we receive that have had to drive through Calais is unbelievable. Drivers arriving at our place who've been attacked with bats, robbed, delayed because the migrants created road blocks, damaged curtain sides on the trailers I get dozens a week. Inside the trailer the goods are damaged with urine, feces or just trodden on and wrote off.
Every single time I ask the drivers how many woman and children did you see and they always reply 'none'. And they all also say that the French police just stood there and did nothing.
So from my point of view good riddance to this camp.
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It's a tricky one, isn't it. Luckily I've never been in the situation of having nothing, no family and having to flee my home country.

I suppose the term 'If you get treated like an animal, you'll start to behave like one' These people are desperate.

As I said above, it should never have been allowed to escalate into what it ultimately became. Europe needs to step up and take responsibility for what it's created and the UK needs to stop advertising itself as a paradise for anyone down on their luck.
 
Diddums said:
For me the biggest problem isn't financial, because, and let's be 100% honest here, we could easily afford to take every one of those migrants in. Provided the majority work and contribute, it'd be an easy job.

For me the biggest problem is cultural. These people come from countries where women are only slightly above cattle in the respect stakes. Stoning people is considered a suitable punishment for theft. Public humiliation is acceptable to them. They are quite literally decades and in some cases centuries behind our culture so their chance of proper integration is so small that they'll end up in jail before they "break even" financially.
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Quite agree re the cultural thing. I live on the south east coast. My fiancée works in a logistics company who employ a certain type of people and from what she says, they are quite vile in beliefs, behaviour and general living.
 
Kind of a rough answer to everyone quoting above.

You are correct in that there is no guarantee of gains, but I think this along with the time these people spend in processing is more a reflection on the current system and attitude of a lot of people towards migrants.

No one is willing to see it as a potential for growth or gain.
 
timebomb26 said:
Kind of a rough answer to everyone quoting above.

You are correct in that there is no guarantee of gains, but I think this along with the time these people spend in processing is more a reflection on the current system and attitude of a lot of people towards migrants.

No one is willing to see it as a potential for growth or gain.
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I could see where you were coming from if they were all highly skilled. But they are not, so they will just be exploited.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Can you elaborate in what type of people and what they do to seem vile?

I cant decide if this is a immigration thing or a Muslim thing or what.
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I'm trying to tread carefully here because I'm trying not to brand everyone as the same, but they are a mixture of Eastern Europeans, Somalians and no doubt others. Examples are general aggressiveness, living in cars, leaving the site toilets in a nasty state (not even flushing) and expectations that someone else will clear up after them in the kitchen area.

To the point whereby they've had to put up notes and instructions, detailing the expectations that you clear up/flush the toilet.
 
I have worked and currently work with quite a few eastern Europeans. I would say that culturally, they are more like us than people admit. Yes you get messy ones but you also get neat ones. Certainly i have not noticed any different habits from the ones i worked with but no doubt there are ones which are worse, as my company simply would not allow unkempt individuals and poor hygiene.

I certainly dont believe eastern Europeans are more aggressive generally. I think the ones that migrate here on their own or in very small groups become closed off from people and become aggressive but ones with half decent English who socialise at least in the work place are as nice as the next English guy. That is certainly true with the 3 girls and 5 guys in the other room.

Cant say much about Somalians, i dont doubt there is a huge cultural difference and i dont doubt that that growing up in a desperate environment hardens you somewhat, allowing standard of hygiene and such slip since you have bigger things on your mind. Probably after a lifetime of that, those habits are hard to break. Likewise if they dont make the effort to socialise with anyone other than people from their home country, they build up this outdated tribal mentality and only feed this them and us attitude which leads to aggression towards others.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
I have worked and currently work with quite a few eastern Europeans. I would say that culturally, they are more like us than people admit. Yes you get messy ones but you also get neat ones. Certainly i have not noticed any different habits from the ones i worked with but no doubt there are ones which are worse, as my company simply would not allow unkempt individuals and poor hygiene.

I certainly dont believe eastern Europeans are more aggressive generally. I think the ones that migrate here on their own or in very small groups become closed off from people and become aggressive but ones with half decent English who socialise at least in the work place are as nice as the next English guy. That is certainly true with the 3 girls and 5 guys in the other room.

Cant say much about Somalians, i dont doubt there is a huge cultural difference and i dont doubt that that growing up in a desperate environment hardens you somewhat, allowing standard of hygiene and such slip since you have bigger things on your mind. Probably after a lifetime of that, those habits are hard to break. Likewise if they dont make the effort to socialise with anyone other than people from their home country, they build up this outdated tribal mentality and only feed this them and us attitude which leads to aggression towards others.
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Is this not more down to your line of work, not many Romany gypsies employed by your company I'm betting?
 
HoneyBadger said:
The 'jungle' shouldn't have reached the size it did, let alone existed.
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And just what do you propose the French should have done?

You can argue that the people shouldn't have been in the country until you're blue in the face but the fact was that those people were there. Would you rather France had let the jungle grow, or rather France had let all of those people through?

You blithely say that it shouldn't have existed, but you haven't a clue as to what the alternatives could be.
 
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