The deaths you mentioned were all gruesome, I guess what tips the Negan one over the edge is that it is so premeditated, he loved every second of it and he didn't stop when they were dead, he just kept on bashing. The ones you mentioned there was no real emotion on the killers' side, they were necessary/zombie related, whereas Negan added a personal psychopathic touch to it.
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Meh!
Still didn't affect me tbh Wasn't really a strong enough character either to make any impact, at least not like the others.Decent list that and I probably agree with it, completely forgot about the doctor girl from Alexandria as well
And right there, you have just summed Negan up and explained exactly why things went down the way they did (along with making the group understand that they work for him now and if they don't comply, bad things happen). He takes great delight in others suffering hence all the laughing, jokes, one liners etc. delivered in that episode. Unfortunately there are people just like that in the "real world".
Also, you have to remember, Rick and his group killed a **** load of his guys/gals when they were sleeping and they looked like they were the loyal ones too.
Enjoyed EP2, thought it'd be a load of filler but thankfully not. Re the violence, I think it actually does need ramped up - certainly if it's Rick that finally brings Negan down it needs to done in a suitably brutal way in order to restore himself as the Alpha Dog!
No-one is questioning why Negan did it, nor the fact that he did it in the way he did. That's the script and story, that's what the writers feel needed to happen to build the character. Everyone gets that Negan is a sadist and trying to break Rick.
The issue some people seem to have is how it was portrayed and shown, the screenplay choices. Did it need to be so graphic and more importantly lingering to build the character and tell the story? Could those storytelling ends have been achieved via more subtle screenplay and perhaps actually been more powerful as a result?
Everyone will have different opinion on this. But for me it descended into cheap shock horror in a way that previous killings in the show mostly haven't (even Hershel) and, for me, lost a lot of storytelling power because of it.
I guess that's always the balance they're always trying to juggle, between the brutal violence and the storytelling. For every person who thought EP1 went too far with the brutality, there's someone else who thought EP2 was dull because of the lack of it. But the problem with going down the shock horror route is audience desensitisation and the need to keep going one better.
Again, I point back to all the other brutal deaths
Did they need to be so over the top and shown? Nope, there was no need to show an old man's head getting hacked off with 2 swings, there was no need to show people getting their heads bashed with a metal baseball bat and then having their throats slit, there was no need to show a young boy getting torn apart by zombies and so on.... I don't see how people can think that scene was over the top and not think the same for most, if not all those other scenes.And again, you and others, especially comic readers should know fine well just how graphic this show is.
You think what happened to Glenn was bad, well for your sake and others, I seriously hope they don't follow the comics for the rest of the season
As JDM (guy who plays Negan) said in an interview about the premiere and backlash about it being too graphic, you can't win, people complain when there isn't enough violence/action etc. and then people complain when there is too much, you can't please everyone and personally I think people just nit pick and look into every little detail too much and complain for the sake of it, not just for this show's thread but most tv shows threads in here.
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I thought ep2 was alright - some bits could have been done better but I found it more interesting than most of the main group stuff has been in ages - to me looks like potentially the more interesting storyline for this season.
All this moaning about how horrible Negan's killing of Glenn was is just proof that it was well done. It is supposed to be sufficiently horrifying to scare Rick's group into submission in spite of them being hardened by years of killing zombies and other people. If you're horrified by it in spite of years of watching them killing zombies and other people, then it has had the desired effect and conveyed the message successfully because it has made you feel the horror that the characters are feeling.
You think what happened to Glenn was bad, well for your sake and others, I seriously hope they don't follow the comics for the rest of the season
Comics and TV are two different mediums, different ways of telling a story and needing a different approach to how things are portrayed. I think they tried to take the TV too close to the comics on this occasion. Not nit picking, just an opinion.
But thanks for the heads up about where things might go in the future.
Totally agree with you... Do you post in the What film did you watch last night thread?
People are missing the point totally here
Again I totally agree with you. Exactly that, Two different mediums...And the TV version of Glenns death missed the mark...Imagery in comics is used to portray collective narrative...
Moving image has more scope, more ability to use cinematography to evoke audience responses...
This so called death was clumsily done and missed the mark....It was too literal...It could have been drenched in emotion, and yet it was steeped in macabre thats was neither intelligent or witty but just naff.
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I'd argue that it was both emotional and macabre.
Hoping to find at least one person that'll agree with you in that thread?
Hoping to find at least one person that'll agree with you in that thread?
No I was looking or some quality control
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As long as it's in accordance with your point of view
As long as it's in accordance with your point of view
Not at all,
But mostly I am correct
Ghostbusters 2016 is crud on every level...
This is not up for debate....
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Again, I point back to all the other brutal deaths
Let me start by saying, I'm not saying it was too much, but that I can see a difference in Glens death than the others. It's the 'how' not the 'what'.
No-one has mentioned ginger duke nukem's death. The 'what' was the same as Glens. The 'how' was different. As said, they lingered on Glen as he tried to talk to the mother of his unborn son for quite some time.
My memory isn't good enough to remember the other deaths that well, but if when Carl had to kill his mum, he'd slowly plunged a knife into the side of her head and we then watched for 10 seconds or so as she tried to say goodbye to him, with a tear and blood drop coming from her eye... then that's a bit different, no? Even then, you still look at it as 'something he had to do', but surely you would be thinking 'well that was a little unnecessary'.
I think this is the best argument in favour of it. A good point.
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Ghostbusters 2016 is crud on every level...
This is not up for debate....
Well, yeah
I think this is one the the first times in a long while I cant wait for more. Usually I can take it or leave it. Just hope Negan and Trevor Phillips appear in the next episode and something interesting happens. Not wanting non stop action, but seeing the inner workings of a small community for a full episode is a tad boring for me. Especially when it wont be long before they are decimated .
.Well I hope you guys aren't overly sensitive to WAAAAAY OVER THE TOP language as well as in an interview JDM was talking about the cursing so if it is anything like the comics, be expecting him to drop the f bomb every 2 words Although given it is AMC, we probably won't see/hear that
Although given it is AMC, we probably won't see/hear that Hope we get to see some good tiger action although given the CGI cost, I don't think we will see much
All good things come to those that wait
LOL your comment had me in stitches but 100% right haha
have to agree - there are quite a number of directions they can take the story with KE and The Kingdom. cause lets be honest we all know how rick and his groups' story is going to play out - Maggie spends an episode all up for a fight, rick spends 2 episodes in flashback mode and being all quiet and depressed until someone or thing shakes him out of his malaise, then they go on a killing spree.
with KE and his Kingdom, there's more can be done here - KE, as mentioned by the young lad (Benjamin?) is keeping the deal with the saviours quiet for fear his people will want to fight back - how we will he play it if they fall short with their 'rent' and the saviours pop someone's skull!
also when the saviours were about to drive off, the head dude turned and warned KE that if they were short 'you know he'll have to go first' or words to that effect - does that mean his own right hand man, the young lad he's so close to.....or do the saviours have someone imprisoned that we don't know about yet?!