Police shoot man dead in Luton

Freakbro said:
Would there have had to have been a firearm reported, or any other weapon, knife, baseball bat....what is the threshold for armed Police to be sent out nowadays?
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nope

I've seen an armed response unit show up to remove a loud mental person from a restaurant in central London - I presume they were simply the nearest unit available at the time and perhaps, as it was a Friday evening, other units were dealing with drunk people etc..

It is also quite standard for some areas to have armed foot patrols too - presumably they are going to occasionally respond to routine incidents too. Given the population of Luton it wouldn't be surprising if armed police were patrolling on foot around there too.
 
Is it not the case that whilst armed police can routinely be sent to an incident they wouldn't deploy their weapons unless either authorised by a senior officer or the address they are going to flags up an issue serious enough to justify deployment of firearms or there is credible info that the call involves weapons that would require a firearms response?

So unless one of the above happened the other night the armed police would have responded and then realised they needed weapons and deployed them? If the man was holding a knife or a gun then the officers wouldn't need a senior officer to authorise weapons as there is a current threat to life requiring immediate response?

Maybe Burnsy can verify this?
 
MarcLister said:
Is it not the case that whilst armed police can routinely be sent to an incident they wouldn't deploy their weapons unless either authorised by a senior officer or the address they are going to flags up an issue serious enough to justify deployment of firearms or there is credible info that the call involves weapons that would require a firearms response?

So unless one of the above happened the other night the armed police would have responded and then realised they needed weapons and deployed them? If the man was holding a knife or a gun then the officers wouldn't need a senior officer to authorise weapons as there is a current threat to life requiring immediate response?

Maybe Burnsy can verify this?
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I'm not sure how much of this is Hampshire policy and how much is national, but AFOs always carry sidearms and can choose to self-deploy firearms if there is an immediate risk. The process on how they decide to deploy firearms is based on the National Decision Model which is the same of any use of force.
 
MarcLister said:
Is it not the case that whilst armed police can routinely be sent to an incident they wouldn't deploy their weapons unless either authorised by a senior officer or the address they are going to flags up an issue serious enough to justify deployment of firearms or there is credible info that the call involves weapons that would require a firearms response?

So unless one of the above happened the other night the armed police would have responded and then realised they needed weapons and deployed them? If the man was holding a knife or a gun then the officers wouldn't need a senior officer to authorise weapons as there is a current threat to life requiring immediate response?

Maybe Burnsy can verify this?
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Probably needs Burnsey to answer but the armed unit I saw in the central London restaurant dealing with the mental person had holstered sidearms, presumably their MP5s or whatever they carry were stowed away in their vehicle?

I would say that, in the armed forces at least, and of these sorts of rules of engagement etc.. go out of the window when there is a threat to your life - you've always got an inherent right to self defence.
 
Mynight said:
Must be horrible to have to shoot someone.

Sad that it's hoped he was white lol.

Must have been a pretty extreme situation :(. Poor cop.
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Why look at it from that point of view.

If I was the officer responding and armed and the criminal was about to take an innocent defenceless persons life or endanger my own well I'd quite frankly have no issue shooting them if they did not yield to a warning and surrender.

Would I be happy I had to shoot someone, well no! Would I be happy I saved a victims life from a criminal scum bag, damn right I would be. :)
 
Terminal_Boy said:
AFO could have been nearest free unit to deal with the call.
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Burnsy2023 said:
Indeed, armed officers don't just deal with firearms jobs, they do occasionally actually do some proper police work too...:eek::p
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dowie said:
nope

I've seen an armed response unit show up to remove a loud mental person from a restaurant in central London - I presume they were simply the nearest unit available at the time and perhaps, as it was a Friday evening, other units were dealing with drunk people etc..

It is also quite standard for some areas to have armed foot patrols too - presumably they are going to occasionally respond to routine incidents too. Given the population of Luton it wouldn't be surprising if armed police were patrolling on foot around there too.
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Thanks for the replies, makes more sense now
 
Isnt the armed police use of force the same laws that apply to anyone- use of reasonable force in a situation of an immadiate threat to the life of yourself or a third party, its just they happen to have guns so they can elevate that force higher than your average joe is physically able to.
 
adolf hamster said:
Isnt the armed police use of force the same laws that apply to anyone- use of reasonable force in a situation of an immadiate threat to the life of yourself or a third party, its just they happen to have guns so they can elevate that force higher than your average joe is physically able to.
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Yes at least mostly, use of force for police is covered under a combination of s3 Criminal Law Act 1967, s117 PACE 1984, common law and the Human Rights Act. s3 CRA and common law is applicable to everyone.
 
Diddums said:
I can only hope that the guy was white lest we have to deal with idiots lying on motorways because "black lives matter".
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He was "white", so his death will be ignored as the dominant racists proudly and publically declare his life doesn't matter because he's a "wrong" "race". When an irrational prejudice is so powerful that an entire movement can be named that way, there's little chance of anything else.
 
A white man in Luton, what is this! *Joke*

In all seriousness you must have to do something pretty damn stupid to get the police to shoot you in the UK.
 
dowie said:
Probably needs Burnsey to answer but the armed unit I saw in the central London restaurant dealing with the mental person had holstered sidearms, presumably their MP5s or whatever they carry were stowed away in their vehicle?
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G36Cs now but yes, they'll be secured in a gun safe in their car until they're operationally required and authorised.

That said, if a spontaneous incident occurred immediately in front of them there'd be no hesitation to use sidearms or retrieve weapons regardless of authority.
 
Flack88 said:
A white man in Luton, what is this! *Joke*

In all seriousness you must have to do something pretty damn stupid to get the police to shoot you in the UK.
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Contrary to popular belief, you have to be incredibly unlucky or monumentally dumb to get shot by armed police in any developed country.
 
Yeh was going to say we are talking about luton here.

Hear it's where a lot of home bred radicals live
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Contrary to popular belief, you have to be incredibly unlucky or monumentally dumb to get shot by armed police in any developed country.
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This always amazes me - when you hear of someone being killed by the cops in what then turns out to be a incident involving a table leg or whatever.

I'm sure the majority of those stopped by armed police don't want to die yet some still manage to be a bit dense and move an arm too quickly or step toward the officer pointing a gun at them with the inevitable consequences!

See plenty of Cops armed with G36C's / Glocks around my office in Westminster but that's be expected - I actually feel safer seeing them out and about.
 
TheOtherOption said:
This always amazes me - when you hear of someone being killed by the cops in what then turns out to be a incident involving a table leg or whatever.

I'm sure the majority of those stopped by armed police don't want to die yet some still manage to be a bit dense and move an arm too quickly or step toward the officer pointing a gun at them with the inevitable consequences!

See plenty of Cops armed with G36C's / Glocks around my office in Westminster but that's be expected - I actually feel safer seeing them out and about.
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Not really its very easy.


Say those officers you see by your office if when youre walking sown the street you hear a yell from one behind you somewhere saying "drop the weapon, put your hands in the air!".

Do you stick your hands up or do you turn around to see who the polcieman is yelling at (as you dont have a weapon to drop of course so he's not talkign to you)

If you did the second then you just died like mr chairlegs did.
 
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