Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

Are you happy with the investigatory powers bill being passed?

  • Yes, I fully agree with it.

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Yes, but I am uncomfortable with certain aspects of it.

    Votes: 31 5.5%
  • I am undecided.

    Votes: 27 4.8%
  • No, but I do agree with parts of it.

    Votes: 103 18.2%
  • No, I fully disagree with it.

    Votes: 391 69.1%

  • Total voters
    566
I don't quite know how I feel about this.

One part of me thinks it is good to maintain security of this country and the same part of me thinks "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear".

The other part of me hates being watched and would like some privacy from time to time.

Then let me help resolve that dilemma if I may presume. The RIPA Act was billed as something vital for security and many (verbal not legal) assurances were given that despite the broad slew of powers granted, it would only be used where necessary. Within a year, local councils were using it to monitor the movements of people accused of not having scooped up dog****.

Power will always be abused where it is not constrained. That is the nature of power. The purpose of our intelligence services and police is to preserve the status quo. Often that is against external threats like terrorism, but it applies equally to internal threats from protestors against wars to people who pose a political threat to incumbent parties. (MI5 even infiltrated people into the Green Party and if you think they're a credible threat you've plainly never been canvassed by them).

I think Cassette Boy said it best:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fSXp6N-vs
 
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Something people need to remember

74,000,000,000,000 e-mails were sent in 2015
To read every single e-mail you would need to read:
2,346,524 per second every second for 365 days of the year.

No human is looking at your data, it searches for key word combinations and traffic from known terrorist or severe criminal sources.

We need to have these measures in place to ensure personal safety, the internet is a wonderful creation but it MUST be handled carefully.

We had 200,000 years as modern humans to develop complex social structures and rules.. The internet has been around in its current form for a few decades..

People will be reluctant to hand over freedoms but they must to ensure security.
 
Make me laugh the only objection it got was the amendment that it doesn't apply to MPs.

Why? If its okay for normal public, why shouldn't it include them? Or are they all above the law now?

Don't want to expose all the pedos.

Something people need to remember

74,000,000,000,000 e-mails were sent in 2015
To read every single e-mail you would need to read:
2,346,524 per second every second for 365 days of the year.

No human is looking at your data, it searches for key word combinations and traffic from known terrorist or severe criminal sources.

We need to have these measures in place to ensure personal safety, the internet is a wonderful creation but it MUST be handled carefully.

We had 200,000 years as modern humans to develop complex social structures and rules.. The internet has been around in its current form for a few decades..

People will be reluctant to hand over freedoms but they must to ensure security.

Theresa May, is that you?
 
I hate comments like this.. Belittle somebodies rational argument with absolutely no rebuttal..

Politician confirmed.

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I just refuse to give credence to fallacies, and i believe everybody has an obligation to provide facts to educate people on their viewpoints if they are being illogical.

Yeah but it's a lot more fun and easier to simply call someone wrong and stick your fingers in your ears going naaanaaaanaaaa which is exactly what's happening here. It's fun. We're fun. Welcome to the fun. We're having fun.
 
All these people saying 'I'll just use a vpn', surely they have ways of getting into these anyway? And why would the government want to see your porn preferences anyway?
 
What do the government gain from doing this? Genuine question.

Little in practice.

The only people who are going to suffer are ordinary day folk when their data inevitably gets leaked. This will do nothing to combat crime or terrorism.

This sort of surveillance would have made the Stasi wet.
 
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Love the fact that phone security has to be made weaker so they can be monitored. Thats good news for the criminals.
 
This must be some sort of MP's code or something that means you cant ever oppose anything related to "security".

So its pretty much the case that Government is now sovereign and nothing else, you what that is... tyranny.
 
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