Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

Are you happy with the investigatory powers bill being passed?

  • Yes, I fully agree with it.

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Yes, but I am uncomfortable with certain aspects of it.

    Votes: 31 5.5%

  • I am undecided.

    Votes: 27 4.8%

  • No, but I do agree with parts of it.

    Votes: 103 18.2%

  • No, I fully disagree with it.

    Votes: 391 69.1%
  • Total voters
    566
terley said:
Something people need to remember

74,000,000,000,000 e-mails were sent in 2015
To read every single e-mail you would need to read:
2,346,524 per second every second for 365 days of the year.

No human is looking at your data, it searches for key word combinations and traffic from known terrorist or severe criminal sources.

We need to have these measures in place to ensure personal safety, the internet is a wonderful creation but it MUST be handled carefully.

We had 200,000 years as modern humans to develop complex social structures and rules.. The internet has been around in its current form for a few decades..

People will be reluctant to hand over freedoms but they must to ensure security.
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Lets be honest the chances of catching anyone worth caring about via bulk collection is likely to be next to none.

Me writing "bomb" in this post would potentially flag it for review by a human. I've just wasted that humans time. How many millions of emails are going to be flagged for completely innocuous keywords which further waste time.

With ISIS websites teaching your average jihadi how to encrypt emails/use secure messaging bulk collection is worthless. It will catch the idiots but chances are the idiots would be caught by the current means.

There is no way bulk collection can be more efficient than targetted collection.

All laws like this achieve is extra costs which will get passed down to customers and an easy scapegoat when the next attack happens; "O it's that damn encryption that allowed this attack. If there were no encryption we would have stopped it".

Then again maybe it's a new revenue stream for the government :D.
 
https://cs.nyu.edu/trackmenot/

Use this if you want to help screw up the government's top level history a bit. It runs in the background and just does random searches on search engines that will garble and clutter up the data.

If the entire country used it that'd be great. :D
 
I am in full support of the current regime and welcome all changes that they think are necessary.

Please don't go through my e-mails.
 
terley said:
Something people need to remember

74,000,000,000,000 e-mails were sent in 2015
To read every single e-mail you would need to read:
2,346,524 per second every second for 365 days of the year.

No human is looking at your data, it searches for key word combinations and traffic from known terrorist or severe criminal sources.

We need to have these measures in place to ensure personal safety, the internet is a wonderful creation but it MUST be handled carefully.

We had 200,000 years as modern humans to develop complex social structures and rules.. The internet has been around in its current form for a few decades..

People will be reluctant to hand over freedoms but they must to ensure security.
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There is simply no evidence base to suggest that these measures will have any effect on preventing serious crime, so we are handing over freedoms on a whim. On the other hand there is much evidence to suggest that there will be innocent victims.
 
Wonder how long before they will put plans across to start selling the data to others, or being hacked, or losing it, leaving it on the train, etc etc. Would you trust them to manage the information correctly?
 
oldbag said:
Wonder how long before they will put plans across to start selling the data to others, or being hacked, or losing it, leaving it on the train, etc etc. Would you trust them to manage the information correctly?
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Maybe this time they'll get it right :D.

I mean it's not like GCHQs cyber weapons have been leaked yet so we've got one up on the Americans :D.

I would be surprised if Google hadn't already put the message out that it would be willing to lease such information :D.
 
terley said:
I hate comments like this.. Belittle somebodies rational argument with absolutely no rebuttal..
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It's not a rational argument though, because being read by a machine and stored for later use is still reading something.

You're arguing a point that no one is making. No one is expecting someone to read everything you write and listen to every phone call, but people are worried about the consequences of all this stored data. The data could be used in future by police and security services wanting to pin something/anything on someone, to blackmailing people, to entirely realistic possibilities of the data being leaked due to a hack or inside source.

There are massive privacy concerns, whether they be state or public related. Would you be happy if your entire years browsing history appeared online due to your ISP being hacked (not u realistic considering the Talktalk hack)?

There are also the other issues involved in this law, including the potential problems with forcing bckdoors in products and the watering down of encryption techniques.

And your argument against all that is "no person is going to read all of it"?
 
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Mynight said:
Lets be honest the chances of catching anyone worth caring about via bulk collection is likely to be next to none.

Me writing "bomb" in this post would potentially flag it for review by a human. I've just wasted that humans time. How many millions of emails are going to be flagged for completely innocuous keywords which further waste time.

With ISIS websites teaching your average jihadi how to encrypt emails/use secure messaging bulk collection is worthless. It will catch the idiots but chances are the idiots would be caught by the current means.

There is no way bulk collection can be more efficient than targetted collection.

All laws like this achieve is extra costs which will get passed down to customers and an easy scapegoat when the next attack happens; "O it's that damn encryption that allowed this attack. If there were no encryption we would have stopped it".

Then again maybe it's a new revenue stream for the government :D.
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It's also worth pointing out here that almost every terrorist that has actually comitted an attack in Europe has been previously known to security services, but was not monitored properly due to lack of resources.

Also worth saying the terrorism bogeyman is almost certainly being used as an excuse. The main bulk of use of this law is going to be undoubtedly by the police for normal, everyday non terrorism related crimes. I'm willing to bet there will be plenty of cases where someone is arrested for something and they eventually go to court, not for the alleged crime they were arrested for, but for something relatively minor found in their search history, being used to try and make something stick - perhaps they once clicked on a link that lead to a page with goat porn, or went and looked at how to make an explosive (out of curiosity).
 
Quite apt for this thread...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38030498

More than 133,000 customer accounts were breached by fraudsters in an attempt to upgrade and steal phones to sell them on, Three has said.

The UK mobile phone network provider said no financial information such as bank account details were accessed.

However, contract and billing data as well as details like job and marital status may have been obtained.
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And in the future it may well be reported like:

More than 133,000 customer accounts were breached by fraudsters in an attempt to upgrade and steal phones to sell them on, Three has said.

The UK mobile phone network provider said no financial information such as bank account details were accessed.

However, contract and billing data as well as details like job, marital status and browsing history may have been obtained.
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If the browsing history was connected to personal data then there's going to be a thriving blackmail industry.
 
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Guys, we lost the internet. It was once the brave new frontier. Now it's owned by corporations and governments. It's such a wasted opportunity.

Arse :(
 
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