VW emissions recall, anyone had it?

VW Emissions recall

I know this is an old one but i was searching unver the VW emissions in google and this forum cropped up. i just wanted to let other owners know my experience after having the emissions recall done.

it was done as part of a routine service back in August, and i have spent the time since trying to get the old software put back. it is not compulsory to have it done and worries mentioned here and other forums about not passing MOT if you dont have it done are all unfounded. the CO2 emissions are 42% higher after the recall.

problems caused by the recall----.
1. Increased engine noise. immediatley when i collected the car i noticed on the drive home a rattle / clattering noise at low speed. clearly heard at 30mph in 4th gear, sounds like tappets but louder.

2. DPF Regenerations. this is happening far too often to be normal, in driving the car the day after the recall the DPF regenerated twice in 305 miles. this is different to before the recall. it would have been once in about 3000 miles before the recall. for anyone who does not know the DPF filter collects Soot during normal driving and when levels get to a certain level the regeneration process starts heats up the soot and gets rid of it out the back (exhaust). so for it to be regenerationg this often it must be collecting "more soot" so CO2 output and Hydrocarbons must be considerably higher.

3. Reduced power. driving the car you notice on long uphill stretches you have to change down a gear a lot sooner than before the recall.

4. Altered economy. an odd one here. in town 30-40mph the economy is 2-3% better. but on a motorway type run 4-6% worse. and seeing i drive mostly motorway miles this is a financial hit too approx £390 per year in fuel alone.

now VW would have you believe that complaints are few. but i have been collecting names of other owners who have the same set of problems and as of today i have 980 names. also we have managed to contact a further 1780 owners who have yet to get the recall done and given them the above information and suggested they decline the recall.

some owners that have had the recall done have since suffered major mechanical failure, and have independant engineers report showing the cause being fuelling issues in the new software. despite the VCA in the UK and KBA in Germany giving it type approval.

contact with VW dealers... they will not revert the software back to the original factory settings. all they are doing is plug the car in and read any error codes and then end up re-running the recall software.
contact with VW customer service... getting a reply by email takes about 6 weeks, then they stall for time by getting you to confirm your name and address car reg no...etc... even if you have given all of this in your initial contact..

there is an option open to owners to go to a remapping centre and get generic mapping put on, but this will cost between £250-350. but as most owners agree VW caused this mess they should either offer to fund the third party remap or do the decent thing and put the old software back when a customer requests it.. i have given you all the information i have, maybe for some it may be too late but for those not yet had it done D O N T ! ! !.
 
On the flip side, mine (2.0TDIe 2013 A4 SE Technik) was absolutely fine. No louder, no more frequent DPF regen, no noticable change in power output, no real change in economy when compared to the same time 12-months previously.

Granted it's not something I need concern myself with now as it's been traded in, but I don't buy into the scaremongering, of those 980 names, how many are simply experiencing placebo effect "reductions" in power, or "increase" in noise? How many actually have a measurable, quantifiable problem?
 
Interesting and part of the VW thing...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36589106

Not exactly rocket science that diesels are so polluting and controls are turned off to avoid damaging engine... Lol

That does make me wonder how reliable they will be in a few years once they have been running these new calibrations. The old system was clearly there for reliability reasons.

I need to get a reasonably efficient car once my job moves but I really want to avoid 'diesel gate' at all costs.
 
On the flip side, mine (2.0TDIe 2013 A4 SE Technik) was absolutely fine. No louder, no more frequent DPF regen, no noticable change in power output, no real change in economy when compared to the same time 12-months previously.

Granted it's not something I need concern myself with now as it's been traded in, but I don't buy into the scaremongering, of those 980 names, how many are simply experiencing placebo effect "reductions" in power, or "increase" in noise? How many actually have a measurable, quantifiable problem?

I agree there's always going to be scaremongering, however it's not a case of being able to revert the change if you do notice a sudden drop in performance/economy. Something that alarms me greatly.

However as it's not a safety recall, i'm going along the lines of "if it aint broke, don't fix it".
 
On the flip side, mine (2.0TDIe 2013 A4 SE Technik) was absolutely fine. No louder, no more frequent DPF regen, no noticable change in power output, no real change in economy when compared to the same time 12-months previously.

Granted it's not something I need concern myself with now as it's been traded in, but I don't buy into the scaremongering, of those 980 names, how many are simply experiencing placebo effect "reductions" in power, or "increase" in noise? How many actually have a measurable, quantifiable problem?

Same here.
2011 C7 A6 with the 2.0L 177PS. Couldn't notice any change after it was done.
 
I think 1.2m VAG cars in the UK are affected.

Some developing faults after getting the fix isn't unexpected. A large number of cars would have developed a fault without a fix.

The VW Group has said that the following quantities of UK vehicles are set for a recall...

• VW passenger cars - 508,276
• Audi - 393,450
• SEAT - 76,773
• Skoda - 131,569
• VW commercial vehicles - 79,838

Total VW Group cars set for UK recall: 1,189,906
 
There was talk last year of the possibility of changing MOT regulations to fail un-recalled vehicles, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that this has happened. Wife's car passed MOT this year without issue. I think they'd need to give plenty of notice in any case.

You can only test a car as presented and with the tests provided, a car could have a thousand recalls and literally kill polar bears with a rocket launched machete but if it's not in the test list it doesn't matter.
 
Having remapped my previous two VW's I know that the rattling noise and what not is due to the remap.

Screw that - ain't going to let them touch my car.

I got two years free warranty with my car back in Jan when I got it - If I turn down the 'fix' they can't use it as an excuse to back out from the warranty can they?
 
On the flip side, mine (2.0TDIe 2013 A4 SE Technik) was absolutely fine. No louder, no more frequent DPF regen, no noticable change in power output, no real change in economy when compared to the same time 12-months previously.

Granted it's not something I need concern myself with now as it's been traded in, but I don't buy into the scaremongering, of those 980 names, how many are simply experiencing placebo effect "reductions" in power, or "increase" in noise? How many actually have a measurable, quantifiable problem?

I agree that there will be some cars that will accept the new software without issue, but there will be a fair percentage of cars that will have problems. i am of strong belief that car engins get used to the set of settings that they have spent the first few years of their lives with. and to change those settings five years on could invite problems.

of the 980 people who have reported to us problems after the recall. i agree there could be some who just think there are problems (Placebo effect). but they offered their names to us freely. asking for group help in getting VW to revert the sotware to original factory settings. i suppose the only time we will be sure is if VW agree to do something, and see how many of them come out of the woodwork?.
 
It's interesting to hear others experiences. My 2.0TDi CR140 golf went in for a service and when asked if I wanted the recall I declined it (as I wanted to see how it is going for others). My dealer were very good about it and offered to remove me from the system so that it wouldn't come up again.

I got another letter from vw last week saying that they had seen I had been in to the workshop but not yet had the recall work done and were asking me to book it in to get the work done, I've ignored this too as I'm not prepared to risk the reliability of my out of warranty 96k mile golf on some new software. I know for a fact if anything goes wrong due to the recall work vw will just blame it on the wear and tear on my car (they have done in the past for other things).

I was doing some reading on what the new map involves and was hearing it had something to do with increasing injection timing (hence the knocking for some people). The fuel injection system on these cars can cost in to the thousands to fix if it goes wrong. There's no way they would pay anything towards it failing.

Interestingly since my service my I noticed my car do the first forced dpf regen (fans going after turning it off) since I've owned it (nearly 60k miles) hope this was just coincidence and they haven't changed anything without telling me.
 
The reason some people have noticed their car has gone into regen, and some have not noticed, is that the vast majority of vehicles fitted with DPF's have two types of regeneration.

Passive regeneration
Passive regeneration takes place automatically on motorway or fast A-road runs when the exhaust temperature is high. Because many cars don't get this sort of use vehicle manufacturers have had to design-in 'active' regeneration where the engine management computer (ECU) takes control of the process.

Active regeneration
When the soot loading in the filter reaches a set limit (about 45%) the vehicle's ECU will initiate post combustion fuel injection to increase the exhaust temperature and trigger regeneration.

During active regeneration you might (but not always) notice the following symptoms:

Cooling fans running
Increased idle speed
Deactivation of automatic Stop/Start
A slight increase in fuel consumption
A hot, acrid smell from the exhaust.
Engine note change

If the regeneration is unsuccessful due to too short a journey (symtoms continuing after vehicle has stopped ) the extra fuel injected into the cylinders will not burn and will drain into the sump. As a result, oil quality will deteriorate and the level will rise. Most DPF equipped engines will have an oil quality/viscosity sensor but it is important that you check that the oil level does not increase above the maximum level on the dipstick as diesel engines can run on their own oil if the level is excessive – often to the point of destruction
 
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Interestingly since my service my I noticed my car do the first forced dpf regen (fans going after turning it off)

Radiator fans staying off after you switch off the engine isn't a DPF regen, that's just the car keeping them on as the coolant temperature is too high.
 
VW emissions recall

Hi all,
my son had the recall done on his Golf back in early september, and instantly regretted it. he has been emailing VW for weeks but not yet had any reply. we have taken the car back to the dealer and they did some investigation work and they said they had "just in case" run the software again. this has been done four times now with no change.

the worst problem he has is the increased engine noise, which according to a couple of local VW/Audi independants has in some cases resulted in wear in the top end of the engine, so he has cut down on the amount of driving.
another problem is that on a long run his economy has dropped from 66mpg to 58mpg.
then there is a shortage of power.
and the increased frequency of the DPF regeneration.

the two independants we have visited have many contacts in the trade and all are reporting a large amount of customers with similar symptoms so it does sound like it is quite widespread.
we have done a bit of investigation work ourselves, swapped the ECU from my sons Golf with one from a friends Golf who has not yet had the recall done whilst he was on holiday. instantly my sons car was transformed back to its former glory. which proved to us that what the independants are saying "fuel timing problems in the new software". we have also done exhaust gas readings and with the borrowed ECU the readings were back to last MOT levels. put his own ECU back today run the car for an hour and ALL of the symptoms are back, exhaust gas readings now... 36% higher on the CO2 and hydrocarbons, the NOX was 2% lower though. so the software fix lowers the NOX but increases other more harmful gasses. well done VW!!!

like GINGE says there is the option to have a remap either back to original settings or even with added power i think Quantum do a power remap to 170bhp with increased torque and 15% better economy. but at the owners expense.

A bit of Rock and Hard place then.....
 
we have done a bit of investigation work ourselves, swapped the ECU from my sons Golf with one from a friends Golf who has not yet had the recall done whilst he was on holiday.

So you are in a position whereby you have the means to remove VAG component protection from modules, but not in a position whereby you can flash the ECU yourself... riiiight

This post doesn't smell odd at all.
 
How did they swap the ECU between the cars ?

You need the right software to code the ECU to the immobiliser if they have this software (which is very hard to get) just copy the ECU from the non updated car to the updated car's ECU, adjust the mileage and problem solved.

*beaten to it ! I have just checked the routine to swap an ECU and it is not straight forward even getting to it is time consuming, it would have been far easier just to flash it with the older software.

I am with paradigm sounds a bit odd to me.
 
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Our engineer did at first make a copy of the ecu from the un modified car, however on attempting to flash the modified car there was an access code?. so looks like VW have locked the ecu? there was no access code on the unmodified car.

swapping the ECU then was the easier of the two to get to a reliable test situation, the imobiliser was just disabled for the period of the test quite easy to do apparantly... the purpose of testing was to determine if any hardware faults had developed or if it was software.

our engineer did offer an explanation to why the ECU is locked... maybe VW did not follow procedure in doing the recall. he told me there should be a reliable stable voltage at time of flashing. he said normally a stable power supply is attached at time of any ECU program alterations to achieve this.

we have dash cam footage of the day of the service and recall, and replaying this we do find there could be problems the car was driven into the workshop with hazard flashers flashing. and no power supply was attached to the battery, the hazards were left flashing for the whole time it was plugged in to their system. so there could be our problem, if so then will VW even be able to unlock it.
 
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